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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
The local MSP is Stuart McMillan.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed, Mr McColl. Thank you for giving up so much of your time this morning and furnishing us with some detailed and wide-ranging answers to our questions.
If, on reflection, you have any other material that you think would be useful to the inquiry that we are running and would help to inform it, we would be very happy to receive it.
Thank you once again for your time this morning. It has been much appreciated.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Okay. Thank you. On that last point, you said in your written evidence that Mr Mackay said that he had got “a legal letter”. What do you understand by that terminology? What is “a legal letter”?
10:30Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Do you think that you had preferential access to ministers?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 18th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2022. Under item 1, does the committee agree to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Our principal agenda item this morning is continued consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report, “New Vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”.
Our witness this morning is Jim McColl, the former director of Ferguson Marine Engineering Ltd. You are welcome, Mr McColl. We had also hoped to take evidence from the former chief executive officer of FMEL, Gerry Marshall. Unfortunately, he is not now available but, as always, the option remains open to the committee to consider whether we wish to seek further evidence at a future date.
Mr McColl, we have a written submission from you, so thank you for that. I invite you to make a short opening statement of about two minutes before we get into questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Okay. Obviously, there is a financial relationship between the Government, Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd and the company that you were the owner of. Again, I want to go back to August 2015. I mentioned the email that was sent to Keith Brown on 20 August. Come 31 August, the First Minister went to the yard to announce that FMEL was the preferred bidder for the contract. That must have strengthened your hand in any negotiations that were taking place.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
To go back to the point about the legal letter, the committee was told in evidence last week by Chris Wilcock, who is head of the ferries unit at Transport Scotland, that his understanding from the chief executive officer of CMAL was that no such threat existed. We will get CMAL in in a fortnight’s time, so we will put some of those questions to it then.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
—on 5 June 2018 or that it was a three-year-old legal letter?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Richard Leonard
We work on the basis that people before us are telling the truth.