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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 June 2022
Richard Leonard
But when that advice was overridden, you did not consider your position at that point.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 June 2022
Richard Leonard
I am trying to establish whether there was a boycott.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Was your non-attendance because of a lack of spaces, or was it because you had misgivings about the announcement or you felt that it would compromise the negotiations that you were involved in?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 June 2022
Richard Leonard
So it was a case of, “When is an invitation not an invitation?”
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Again, just for the record, you mentioned evidence that we have received that suggested that, Mr Østergaard, your letter was dated two weeks—or 12 days, I think—before the decision was taken by ministers. The submission says:
“While it may have expressed his frustration”—
your frustration, Mr Østergaard—
“the email makes clear that it dated from two weeks earlier”—
it was 12 days—
“and before the latest round of negotiations. (The Auditor General’s report does not make that fact clear, and it could be taken to read as a final position.)”
However, you are telling us this morning that that was the final position of the board.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you. Before I move to Willie Coffey, I welcome to the gallery The Hon Nathan Cooper, speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Alberta. You are very welcome and I am sure that we will have a chance to speak to you later. Thank you for coming to observe this morning’s committee. We very much appreciate your time.
Willie Coffey has a series of questions about equalities.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
Richard Leonard
I know that Willie Coffey wants to come back in on business support funding. I will bring him in, but I will turn next to Sharon Dowey, who also has some questions to put in this area.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you. If you are able to do that, that would be helpful. I recognise that that might not be a central part of your work, but it is of wider interest. It would be useful for us to have an understanding of not just the businesses but whether they were sole traders or businesses that employed people and which sectors were hardest hit.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
Richard Leonard
I think that some of the big retail chains returned their NDR rebates.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
Richard Leonard
Thank you. If I take an example and look at the table in the report that tells me that, for example, the rail franchises got £441 million of public money and I contrast that with what I can see appears to be the moneys paid to local government for the drop in councils’ income from lettings, fees and so on, I see that the railways get twice as much as the whole of local government, if I am reading it correctly. The wellbeing fund got £34 million. How was that distribution determined? What tests were applied? What evaluation was applied by the Government in advance of the award of those funds? We all recognise that things were done—to coin the phrase—“at pace”, but nonetheless I presume that there needs to be some understanding of why one provider got so much and another got a different amount, and why some things were given greater priority in the allocation of resources than other things.