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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Okay, well, we have that on the record. Thank you very much.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

I invite Joe FitzPatrick to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Public Pensions Agency”

Meeting date: 17 March 2026

Richard Leonard

We have been up against the clock. I place on record my thanks to committee members for their discipline and co-operation. I understand that Dr Pathirana and his team have given evidence to the Finance and Public Administration Committee as well as the Public Audit Committee this morning. I admire their marathon skills in coping with the questions that have been thrown at them. I thank Dr Pathirana, Frances Graham and Chris Nairns for appearing before us, as well as Lesley Fraser, who is the Scottish Government’s director general corporate.

This is the committee’s last meeting in public in this parliamentary session, and it is my last committee meeting as convener. It has been a great privilege. In my view, committees of the Parliament can lead parliamentary as well as public debate. Above all else, that is what the committee has done this session: we have held public bodies to account and have been the guardians of the public interest, and we have done that as a committee united, for which I am truly grateful.

Needless to say, we could not have done that without the support of the clerks. I place on record the committee’s thanks to the ever-present Alison Wilson and Keith Currie, who have done a fantastic job over the past five years in supporting us, but also to Lynn Russell, Katrina Venters, and Claire Menzies, who have been our committee clerks. We are very grateful to you. I also place on record our thanks to the parliamentary communications team whom we have worked with, two of whom coincidently share surnames with two former leaders of the Labour Party. One I prefer much more than the other—the Labour leader, not the media officer, you understand. We say thanks to Linda Peters, especially, and to the Scottish Parliament information centre for the support that it has provided, and to security for keeping us safe so far—there are still a few minutes to go. On behalf of the committee, I also thank the broadcasting team, who make sure that we are transparent and accountable. For the same reason, I also record our thanks to the official report team, who work tirelessly behind the scenes. In particular, on this occasion, I want to thank our long-standing sub-editor Fiona Shaw, who, after working in this Parliament since 1999, is taking well-earned retirement next week. We wish her well.

Finally, I again thank the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle, and his team for the outstanding work that they do, for the outstanding reports that they produce and for the outstanding leadership that Stephen Boyle shows.

Graham Simpson wishes to come in.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

A very short final question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. Before I bring in Graham Simpson, I note that you mentioned capital constraints. At, I think, paragraph 24, the report points out that the move from local authority-controlled policing to a single Scotland-wide force—that was a policy decision; it was not a decision taken by any of our witnesses this morning—has left you in a situation where you have no reserves and no borrowing powers in the way that a local authority has. I think that that colours the fiscal climate that you are working in.

I bring in Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Absolutely—they are contained centrally in the report that is before us. They have been identified by HM inspectorate and the Auditor General.

Colin Beattie has some questions.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Over to you, chief constable.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 10th meeting in 2026 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from Joe FitzPatrick.

Agenda item 1 is for members to consider whether to take items 3 to 5 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

That might be a question that, I presume, the Scottish Police Authority would also have some thoughts on.

We have come to the end of our time. I thank you for the evidence that you have given us this morning. This is the second-last meeting in public of this parliamentary session. I will say to Mr Speirs that our final meeting next week is with the accountable officer from the Scottish Public Pensions Agency. I know, Mr Hay, the firefighters, of whom you were once part, along with police officers, the NHS and teachers, are all caught up in the delays in the SPPA system. If you have any questions that you would like to put to the SPPA, Mr Speirs, drop us a note and we will do our best to raise them.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 March 2026

Richard Leonard

That leads us neatly on to the final series of questions, which will be put to you by the deputy convener, Jamie Greene.