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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Hannah Axon, can you give us a local government perspective on that “steep hill” and where you see things going? How far away does the summit appear to be from where you are?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Alex Pirie, you are also a member of the joint delivery board. Do you have any perspective on the “steep hill” and where we are on it, and on the engagement of young people and families?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

The principal item on the agenda is a round-table discussion on something that has been a recurring theme for our predecessor committee, Audit Scotland and the wider Parliament and public: the current state of child and adolescent mental health services in Scotland.

I will ask members of the committee to ask questions on particular thematic areas, but I want to stress that this is a round-table discussion. It is quite informal and there is nothing to prevent panellists from asking questions of one another if that is felt to be useful. If you want to come in and speak and you are in the room, indicate that to me or the clerks. If you are joining us by videolink, you can use the chat box function; put an R in there and we will take you as soon as we can. I remind everybody that, technically speaking, you do not have to activate your own microphone—it will be activated for you.

Finally, do not feel obliged to answer every question that is put. It may be that, as the conversation develops, particular areas apply to some of you and are probably less applicable to others. Come in whenever you want by indicating, and please feel free to have quite a free-wheeling discussion, albeit that we have to stick to a timetable.

I would like to invite everyone to introduce themselves, starting with the MSPs on the committee. I will then come to those joining us virtually before returning to the witnesses in the committee room.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Sorry—I apologise for omitting to introduce the panellists who are in the committee room before my very eyes. Catriona Morton, do you want to introduce yourself?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I am sure that we will return to some of those themes.

I want to ask a question of the co-chairs of the delivery board. Perhaps Donna Bell could answer first, then Hannah Axon could come in after that. Audit Scotland’s blog said:

“there is a steep hill to climb and making it to the top will mean listening to and learning from the experiences of children and young people and their families.”

Would you agree with that analysis? What action are you taking through the delivery board to get us further up that “steep hill”?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Can you confirm that those young people are members of the joint delivery board?

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

I said at the start of the session that witnesses can ask each other questions; it is not just a matter of fielding questions from members of the Scottish Parliament.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

We are going to look in a bit more detail at the Grampian experience.

I turn back to Sharon Dowey, who I think has a question on referrals.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everybody to this, the sixth meeting of the Public Audit Committee in this session of Parliament. Before we start our business today, I remind everybody in the committee room that social distancing measures are still in place. If you are moving around, entering or exiting the room, please wear a face covering.

Our first item of business is to agree to take agenda item 3 in private. Is that agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services

Meeting date: 7 October 2021

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed, Alex. I will turn to Donna Bell. Forgive me, I gave Hannah Axon the elevated title of co-chair of the delivery board, which you are not. You are here representing the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities and the voice of local government on the delivery board. I ask Donna Bell to give us her observations.