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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. I am going to move things along and invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

I read a report that suggested that, under the principal and CEO who has now left but who held that position at the time of the audit, there were five different finance directors, which again is an interesting indication of the instability of that function inside the college.

Public Audit Committee

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. You mentioned the importance of monitoring and evaluation in making a difference. Could you explain how the monitoring and evaluation framework makes a difference?

Public Audit Committee

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

I will bring in Keith Brown at this point.

Public Audit Committee

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

You are on a roll.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. I take you back to your second last point about the role of UHI, which is the regional strategic body that has some kind of oversight of the college, and the role of the Scottish Funding Council. What part do they play in oversight and governance of a college such as UHI Perth?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

One of the fundamental questions that the committee has for you is whether you can think of many other circumstances where a public body has not set a budget. Similarly, and related to that, you make the point in the report that the internal audit function could not be relied upon at all. You could not set any store by or place any credence in the internal audit function. Again, I cannot remember reading a report where that has been highlighted in such a way.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

I think that we have some further questions on that area later, but I will now invite Colin Beattie to ask some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

I am conscious that two members of the committee still have questions to ask, so, if we could press on, that would be helpful. Deputy convener, over to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. We have come to the end of our time on this report. I thank Mark MacPherson, Nicola Wright and the Auditor General for presenting their evidence. The committee will need to consider what our next steps are. We are about to keep two of you, but lose Ms Wright, as we change over witnesses. To allow us to change witnesses, I briefly suspend the meeting.

11:16 Meeting suspended.  

11:19 On resuming—