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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
I agree with that.
Thank you all very much indeed for your evidence this morning. I am sorry that we have been a bit short of time. Perhaps we should have allocated a bit more time. The discussion of your work programme is important for us, because it is a first step in a path that is ahead of you, of engaging with other committees of the Parliament so as to be informed about what would be the most useful areas of work for you to concentrate on and to pick up some of their empirical insights on the policy areas that they have dealt with over the past year and those that they are looking forward to dealing with in the future.
Again, I thank the Auditor General, Gemma Diamond and Mark Taylor for giving evidence, and I move the committee into private session.
11:17 Meeting continued in private until 11:35.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
We very much appreciate that. We also appreciate your response to Willie Coffey’s questions about sharing the legal advice. That has been a bit of a bugbear of ours, so we would really appreciate greater transparency on it.
Thank you very much for your evidence.
I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.
10:13 Meeting suspended.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
Under agenda item 3, we will take evidence from the Auditor General and his team on their work programme for the next period of time.
I welcome Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland, who is joined by Gemma Diamond, director at Audit Scotland, and Mark Taylor, audit director at Audit Scotland.
As usual, we have a series of questions that we would like to put to you, Auditor General. To begin with, also as usual, I ask you to make a short opening statement to get us under way.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
If you could write to us, not now, but subsequent to today’s session, with the comparable figure for the current date, that would be a useful measure for us to understand whether things are back to a level that most people would recognise.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
I think that my next point also came up at the SPPA Committee meeting. You have touched on this, but I can safely say on behalf of the Public Audit Committee that we would be very supportive of welfare support being in place for respondents and, in particular, people who have lodged complaints. It seems a little bit unbalanced to have an apparatus through which complaints can be processed without having a wraparound support mechanism for people. If you and the Standards Commission are making those representations, we would be supportive of that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much for your evidence, which has been very useful. You are right, Mr Bruce: we hope that we do not see you next year either, because that would indicate how much progress had been made. It has been a valuable session for us. Thank you very much for coming in and giving us the answers to some of our questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
Yes. I do not recommend that, Mr Bruce.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 30 March 2023
Richard Leonard
You described the eight-month wait as the outlier, but did you put that on your website to inform people who might have a complaint of the length of time that they might have to wait?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 March 2023
Richard Leonard
That was a public information announcement by the Auditor General. Excellent. Craig Hoy wanted to come in on this area.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 March 2023
Richard Leonard
One of the most startling figures in the report is in paragraph 46, where you talk about the extent to which bank or agency nursing staff are being called upon. Those figures are for the three health board areas that you have looked at in most depth and they are striking. You say that the expenditure on bank nursing is up by 57.2 per cent in NHS Lothian, by 90.5 per cent in NHS Highland and, in NHS Ayrshire and Arran, by even more at 90.8 per cent. Why on earth is that happening?