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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects: Accountability and Governance Arrangements

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Richard Leonard

For the avoidance of doubt, this is not an unscheduled proxy session on the delivery of vessels 801 and 802.

Let us return to governance and accountability. Andrew Watson mentioned that he had given us a written submission in advance, which is very useful to us. In one part of the paper, which struck me, he says:

“Infrastructure strategy is developed through a range of mechanisms.”

I note from the paper that there is a Scottish Futures Trust, an infrastructure investment board, an Infrastructure Commission for Scotland, an infrastructure advisory group and, as Alan Morrison has just told us, a departmental infrastructure board. How do those all fit together? What are their respective roles? Is there duplication? Is the system overly bureaucratic or does it work perfectly well?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects: Accountability and Governance Arrangements

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Richard Leonard

You mentioned the Scottish Futures Trust, which is listed in your submission as being a “key advisor” to the IIB. The IIB also has an infrastructure advisory group. Who is on the SFT and who is on the advisory group? Why are their roles different and what advice do they give you that is different? Is it not simply duplication?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects: Accountability and Governance Arrangements

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Richard Leonard

Willie Coffey has related questions.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects: Accountability and Governance Arrangements

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Richard Leonard

I understand that from an operational point of view, and I know that you cannot speak on matters of policy, but is it not matter of Government policy that it wishes those contracts to be brought back into the public sector, or have I misunderstood that?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects: Accountability and Governance Arrangements

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Richard Leonard

That is helpful. In addition to the information that you have agreed to supply to the committee following the questions that Colin Beattie, for example, asked, it would be useful if you could furnish us with a copy of your 2020 guidance. If you are in a position to supply us with the current policy guidance that you receive as civil servants and the plans that you have, that would be helpful. We understand that there are a multitude of different contracts and different exit arrangements and so on, but to the extent to which you can furnish us with the information that allows us to get an overview of where things are, that would be helpful.

I am sorry that we have run out of time, and I appreciate that you have given us an undertaking to provide some of the evidence that we are looking for in writing. That is very helpful. Thank you for coming in to give us the benefit of your insight into how the governance arrangements are working on these major capital projects.

I draw the public part of the meeting to an end.

11:15 Meeting continued in private until 11:44.  

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 15th meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. The first agenda item is a decision on whether to take items 2 and 4 in private. Do we agree to do that?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 19 May 2022

Richard Leonard

That being the case, I will immediately move the committee into private session. We will resume with item 3 in public at around 10 o’clock.

09:15 Meeting continued in private.  

10:00 Meeting continued in public.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of South Lanarkshire College”

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Richard Leonard

Colin Beattie has some questions in an area that the committee is very interested in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of South Lanarkshire College”

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Richard Leonard

Lucy Nutley, you said that the same law firm is carrying out the two independent investigations with separate teams. How does that work? Is there a Chinese wall between them, or does it not matter that the two investigating teams are from the same firm? Is it intended that they all come together?

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2020/21”

Meeting date: 12 May 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you, but we are still not clear about whether the NAO is included.