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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

You kind of recused Transport Scotland from that, but, as the accountable officer, you gave advice at the end of April 2017—it is among the 200-odd documents that are now in the public domain—in which you said that, if flexibility on the surety bond were to be introduced, you would require written authority for that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

The cost has gone from £97 million to two and half times that much.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

Even though the First Minister had been to the yard to announce that the contract had been awarded before the negotiations were concluded.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

You mentioned paper trails. One of the big concerns that are expressed in the Auditor General’s report is about the lack of paper trails—the lack of paperwork—to cover the implications of the decision to award the contract under the circumstances that it was awarded under and the risks that that entailed. What is your reflection on that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

Would it not go to a Cabinet meeting, for example?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

I am sorry, Mr Brannen—I will come to the recent correspondence between the permanent secretary and the Finance and Public Administration Committee of this Parliament—but you just said that the piece of paper had been found. That is not the view of Audit Scotland, is it? Its view is that the piece of paper that was found and presented to Parliament a couple of weeks ago represented more information on who. Now, you have said that it was entirely the then minister for transport. That seemed to suggest that, actually, the then finance secretary was involved in the process. However, the piece of paper that was presented does not fill the gap identified by the Auditor General, which is that there is no substantial recording of the considerations of ministers and their response to the risks that were clearly identified by CMAL in presenting the contract to Ferguson Marine.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

We may well return to that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

That is fine.

I will now bring in Craig Hoy; I can come back to Sharon Dowey shortly.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

Fran Pacitti made an extremely important point about the role of challenge in making decisions. The cost was going to be £97 million of public money. In the end, it has ended up being considerably more than that. The role of challenge in such decisions is primary. As the Public Audit Committee of the Parliament, we would expect challenge.

Will you explain a bit more about the relationship that ought to exist between the portfolio accountable officer and the decision maker? Will you also explain whether there is a role in the process for the director general of finance? Is part of their role not to challenge investment decisions that are taken at portfolio level to see whether they pass the tests that are set out in the public finance manual?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 26 May 2022

Richard Leonard

I begin by putting a question to Roy Brannen and Hugh Gillies, but I will take you first, Mr Brannen. You mentioned current and previous roles. You have both held the post of designated accountable officer for Transport Scotland, so can you outline what is required in that role in providing formal advice to ministers and recording decisions, particularly where significant concerns or risks are involved?