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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

My understanding is that CalMac cannot refuse the ferries, for example; it will be required to operate them. We have received evidence from people that suggests that there will be problems because of the length of time that it has taken to build the vessels. You do not see that.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed, Bill. I should have declared my interest as the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers parliamentary convener. In that capacity, I might dispute some of your views about the settled patterns as they will be in the future compared to coming out of the pandemic.

Willie Coffey is trying his best to get in, and I am going to give him the last word before I conclude the meeting.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

This morning we are primarily concentrating on transport projects, especially road and rail. Again for my information, could you explain a bit more about the targeted review of the capital spending review, which sounds to me like a review of a review? What is that comprised of? How are priorities are set and allocations awarded at the end of that?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome to the 20th meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

I should have said, Mr Shackman—my mistake—I introduced you as being from the Scottish Government. You are in fact employed by Transport Scotland.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Can I follow up some of those lines of questioning from Sharon Dowey? I go back to the point about written authority or not written authority, and the difference between instruction from your sole shareholder and written authority. To all intents and purposes, it was equivalent, was it not, because your advice was being overridden?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Mr Østergaard, do you want to come in at this point?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Mr Østergaard, in one biography that I have read about you, when you were appointed to the board of the Isle of Man Steam Packet Company, you were described as possessing

“extensive experience with a number of European shipping concerns in a career that has spanned over 30 years in shipping.”

Have you ever known a ship to be built without a builder’s refund guarantee?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

In the context of what we have heard this morning and what we have seen in the written submission, did you at any point consider resigning as chair of CMAL?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

That was evidence that we heard from Jim McColl, who said that he had been in a private meeting with Derek Mackay, which the civil servants had been asked to leave, when he was told that there was what he described as a legal letter from the board of CMAL threatening resignation en masse.