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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I will shortly bring in Willie Coffey, but I will just compare and contrast two of the statistics in your briefing. On the one hand, the student satisfaction rate among full-time students is very high, at 88 per cent; however, the line above that tells us that 27 per cent of full-time further education students withdrew—they dropped out. I can only assume that the students who were surveyed under the satisfaction survey did not include those who had withdrawn.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

The figures on the financial sustainability of the sector ring alarm bells, as we have heard already. Another area that is covered in the briefing that is also a cause for concern is the figures that you have produced on student outcomes. Sharon Dowey has questions on that subject.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I have a final question to put to you, on something that you have already alluded to, which is the fact that the Parliament’s Education, Children and Young People Committee is conducting an inquiry into the regionalisation and restructuring of the college sector. Have you given or will you be giving evidence to that committee?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

We have had discussions in the context of the section 22 report into South Lanarkshire College about what the point is of regional boards and whether the structure in the sector is too top heavy, with the Scottish Funding Council, regional boards, college boards, principals—now principals/chief executive officers, as many of them describe themselves—vice principals, assistant principals and so on. There are some big questions there, are there not, about whether the management and governance of the sector are as effective as they could be?

10:00  

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. That concludes our questions. The evidence session has raised important issues, as I said earlier, about the financial state of the college sector in Scotland in 2022 and whether it is delivering the outcomes that we all want to see for students.

I thank the Auditor General, Mark McCabe and Carolyn McLeod for their evidence; it has been very helpful, and we shall consider our next steps.

I close the public part of the meeting.

10:01 Meeting continued in private until 11:28.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. However, would you not expect it to be quite well known, during that period, that CMAL had identified what was a major problem with the contract, as it was outlined by Ferguson Marine?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. Our time is limited, so I want to move on to the issue of written authority, about which you said in your written submission to the committee that you

“did not then, nor now, see this as any kind of ‘decision’.”

What did you mean by that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Well, the vessels are five years late and two and a half times over budget, so maybe that is a reason why you should reflect on it.

I will bring in Willie Coffey.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 21st meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is a decision on taking business in private. Do members agree to take agenda item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

The second item on our agenda is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s section 23 report entitled “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”. I welcome David Middleton, who is our first witness this morning. In 2015, he was the chief executive of Transport Scotland.

David, the committee appreciates that time has elapsed since you left your role at Transport Scotland. However, you were the most senior official at Transport Scotland when key decisions to award the contract to Ferguson Marine Engineering Ltd were made, and there are questions that we need to ask and that we need you to answer. Before we proceed to questions, I invite you to make a short opening statement.