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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
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Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

The next item on our agenda is consideration of evidence and witness information on major capital projects in Scotland, which the committee has taken a long-standing interest in. I am delighted to welcome Helen Carter, deputy director, infrastructure and investment, Scottish Government; Lawrence Shackman, director of major projects, Scottish Government; and Bill Reeve, director of rail, Transport Scotland. We have a fairly limited amount of time this morning but we will try to maximise the best use of it.

I have a couple of opening issues that I want to explore. My first question is partly for my benefit. We have received a briefing that suggests that, as far as the capital budget allocations that you have are concerned, there has been a higher than expected financial transactions budget allocation but a lower than expected capital budgets allocation over the next few years. What do the financial transactions budget allocations derive from and where do the capital budget allocations come from? Helen Carter, could you answer that?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Do you do any work to disentangle the relative weight and impact of Covid, the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Brexit and so on and the effect that they are having on your supply chain costs and availability?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

We have two evidence sessions this morning and the first is a continuation of our inquiries into the Audit Scotland report “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”. Joining us this morning—in the room rather than remotely, I am pleased to say—we have Kevin Hobbs, the chief executive officer of Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd, and Morag McNeill, the interim chair of the board; we also have Erik Østergaard, who was formerly the chair of CMAL and is now the chair of David MacBrayne Ltd.

I will invite Morag to give us a short opening statement. Thank you for providing us with a written submission, which we found very helpful. It has been published on our website. We got some further material yesterday; we have to make sure that it is cleansed, data-wise and so on, so we have not been able to publish that yet and we cannot refer to that material this morning. We hope to be able to publish it over the next few days. That may well mean that we will return to you to seek further particulars and search a bit more into what you have provided us with—we may even invite you back to give us more oral evidence—but we will see how things go this morning.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. You set out quite a lot of the ground that we want to cover this morning. To pick up on one point that you made, do you accept the recommendations of the Audit Scotland report?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

We are coming towards the end of our session, but Craig Hoy and Sharon Dowey have indicated that they want to come back in with a very short question each. I will come to Craig Hoy first.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

That is why I am interested in your opinion on whether the ferries will be fit for purpose.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Is there a conflict of interest, Mr Østergaard?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

You share—

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

That would be helpful.

I am conscious of the fact that Bill Reeve has not had many opportunities to come in, because all these people are asking about bypasses and roundabouts. Let me finish up with a question about the East Kilbride rail enhancement. The briefing that has been given to us describes the project as having been enhanced in size. However, my mailbag tells me that it has gone from being a project that includes dualling of the track to one that retains a single track, so the people of East Kilbride are not very happy about the project as it stands. They see it as being a diminution of the original project. In fact, as recently as yesterday, I saw a letter that was sent by the leader of South Lanarkshire Council to the transport minister, complaining about that very fact. Can you explain why it is seen as an enhancement and where additional scope is involved? The empirical evidence that I get on the ground is that it is the opposite of that.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Richard Leonard

Excellent. On that positive note for public transport, I will draw this session to a close. Bill Reeve, Helen Carter and Lawrence Shackman, thank you very much indeed for your time this morning. I think that there are one or two points that we want to follow up, and we will do that. Thank you very much indeed.

I now draw this public session of the committee’s deliberations to a close, and we will move into private session.

11:17 Meeting continued in private until 11:44.