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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the Public Audit Committee’s 18th meeting in 2023.
The first item on our agenda is for members to consider whether to take in private agenda items 3, 4 and 5. Are members agreed?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
I should also record that we have apologies from Colin Beattie.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
This morning, we will hear evidence on the Audit Scotland and Accounts Commission section 23 report, “Early learning and childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”. To that end, I welcome our four witnesses. We are joined by the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle, who is accompanied by Tricia Meldrum, a senior manager at Audit Scotland, and Rebecca Smallwood, an audit manager at Audit Scotland. I am pleased that we are also joined by Sophie Flemig from the Accounts Commission. It is a joint report by the two organisations. You are all very welcome.
We have a number of questions to put to you on the report but, before we get to questions, I ask the Auditor General to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed.
My first question is on that last point. You make it clear in the report that it is too early or you are not yet in a position to make an assessment around the impact of the policy. What do you envisage your timescale being to be able to do that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Willie Coffey is also deputy convener of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, so he has a particular interest in seeing how that spread works.
Can I return very briefly to infrastructure, capital spend and so on? In the report, you talk about completion rates. I think that you said that the completion rate had risen from 87 per cent to 95 per cent over the course of the year that you were looking at. What is the current completion rate?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
I am sure that we will return to that theme as early as next week.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
I second that, but maybe from a slightly different perspective. If there is a concentration or consolidation of ownership, it would be useful to monitor that, because that, in turn, will affect the way that the sector functions and its relationship with the public sector. We would certainly welcome a bit more evidence on that.
I thank Sophie Flemig from the Accounts Commission and, from Audit Scotland, Rebecca Smallwood, Tricia Meldrum and the Auditor General for their evidence, which has been very enlightening. Thank you very much indeed for the work that you have done on the subject. It is, by everybody’s understanding, an extremely important piece of policy work, and the auditing of it is especially important. We would certainly like to ask you to give it active consideration in the future, because it is an important piece of new developmental work that has much broader implications for young people, the wider economy and so on.
I will now draw the public part of this morning’s session to a close.
10:42 Meeting continued in private until 11:05.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Craig Hoy has a final, short question.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 15 June 2023
Richard Leonard
Earlier, Craig Hoy had questions about the sustainability of providers. He has more questions on that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 8 June 2023
Richard Leonard
That concludes our questions. I thank the Auditor General, Lynsey Davies and Mark Taylor for their evidence this morning.
10:04 Meeting continued in private until 10:31.