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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

If you could have a look and get back to us in writing, that would be helpful.

I have one final question, which picks up on the theme of 15, as it is about paragraph 15 in your report, which made for interesting reading. You describe how, in 2020, an independent strategic adviser was appointed, presumably by the Scottish Government. In the following year, 2021, an oversight board was established and the independent strategic adviser was made the chair of that board. In 2022, the adviser was asked to step down as the chair, but it took over a year for that process to be completed. The adviser did not fully step down but became a co-chair, along with somebody else who was appointed as a co-chair.

You describe that in very diplomatic terms, but it looks like a very messy situation. It also conjures up questions about the point about clarity of roles and responsibilities. Is the independent strategic adviser an adviser to the Government, the oversight board or The Promise Scotland? Why was the decision taken that it was not appropriate for the person that held that role to continue as the chair of the oversight board? Why was there clearly some resistance to that from some quarters?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I will now turn to Joe FitzPatrick to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed for that clarity and for concluding the meeting with a very hopeful and visionary message of a better future.

Edel Harris, thank you for your time this morning. Your evidence has been very useful for us. We have a session with the Scottish Government and Social Security Scotland coming up very soon. I do not know whether we will take the opportunity to press them to get a response earlier than February about their view on the recommendations that you have made in your very important report. We will make sure that you are aware of when that evidence session is, so that you can tune in or follow it later on.

11:59 Meeting continued in private until 12:19.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

When we took evidence from the Auditor General on 1 October, he said:

“I do not think that we are yet clear about the Government’s intention around the review.”

Edel, are you reasonably clear about the Government’s intention around the review?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thanks for that response. I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to ask some questions of you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay—good. That is a nice bookend, because we finish as we started, by looking at the governance arrangements.

I thank the Auditor General, Mark MacPherson and Claire Tennyson from Audit Scotland, and Andrew Burns from the Accounts Commission, for their evidence. You have undertaken to have a look at some of our requests for a bit more data. We would very much appreciate it if you could supply us with that, because we will need to consider our next steps in reviewing the findings and recommendations in the report.

We will now have a further evidence session, but I suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses. We will resume in five minutes or so.

11:00 Meeting suspended.  

11:05 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 29th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

Agenda item 1 is a decision for members of the committee on whether to take agenda items 4, 5, 6 and 7 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Our second agenda item is consideration of the Audit Scotland report “Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”. I am very pleased to welcome to the committee Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General. He is joined by Mark MacPherson, who is an audit director, and Claire Tennyson, who is an audit manager, both at Audit Scotland. We are also joined by Andrew Burns, who is the deputy chair of the Accounts Commission, because the report that we are considering has been produced jointly by Audit Scotland and the Accounts Commission. Andrew Burns, you are very welcome.

I will start the proceedings by inviting the Auditor General to make a short opening statement, and then we will get to our questions.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you. I now invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Graham Simpson wants to come back in with a very quick question.