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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you, Willie. I will endeavour to bring you back in at some point.

I turn to Craig Hoy, who has some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will now bring in Willie Coffey.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Before I bring committee members in, I seek clarification on a couple of points. First, in your foreword to the Scottish ministerial code, you say:

“it is essential to set and maintain the highest standards of propriety and openness for Government Ministers.”

Do you think that Keith Brown’s response to the committee on 18 October meets those standards?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Do you think that he answers the questions that the committee put to him?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. Well—

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. However, we got that letter only because it was provided to us by Stuart McMillan.

I will ask another question on the issue of transparency. When we took evidence from Audit Scotland back in April, Gill Miller said:

“We asked Transport Scotland and the Scottish Government for all documentation relating to the minister’s decision, but we did not receive any.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 21 April 2022; c 28.]

Is that in keeping with the standard that you set out in the foreword to the ministerial code?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

I appreciate your undertaking to listen to any requests that we have for further information to be put in the public domain.

You mentioned the missing documents and so on. However, the position of Audit Scotland remains clear. It says that the email that was unearthed that covers the exchanges on 8 and 9 October 2015 confirms that ministers approved the award of the FMEL contract. Audit Scotland’s position is that

“there remains insufficient documentary evidence to explain why the decision was made to proceed with the contract, given the significant risks and concerns raised by CMAL.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 4 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. The committee will consider its next steps after today.

I will move on to something else. Another response that we received recently—in fact, just last week, so it therefore arrived a week late—was from Transport Scotland. In the covering letter, Michelle Quinn, the chief executive officer of Transport Scotland, said that the organisation has a “commitment to absolute transparency”.

However, the correspondence that Transport Scotland shared with us was an incomplete, censored version of Derek Mackay’s letter of 2 February 2015 to Stuart McMillan. It was not even redacted; it was cut. Was that done to mislead? I do not know. Do you think that that is an acceptable way for a Government organisation to act?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 November 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everybody to the 25th meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee.

Under agenda item 1, do members agree to take item 2 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

09:01 Meeting continued in private until 09:30.  

Public Audit Committee

“Tackling child poverty”

Meeting date: 6 October 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I want to give Willie Coffey the opportunity to put his questions to the witnesses now. I will then bring in Colin Beattie.