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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. We have questions that touch on all the areas that you have outlined in your opening statement, which is very helpful in setting the scene.

The most striking expression that is used in the briefing—it is used twice—is that the finances are “healthier than expected”, although it is clear that Scotland’s colleges are still in a precarious financial position. Could you say a little more about the “healthier than expected” position? Colleges are viewed by many people as public sector institutions, and most public sector institutions were not eligible to qualify for the coronavirus job retention scheme or furlough moneys, for example, or for other Covid grants that were available to businesses. Could you explain a little more about how it came to pass that Scotland’s colleges drew down on that money to such an extent that you offer that as an explanation of their financial position being rosier than might otherwise have been expected?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Auditor General, you have mentioned real-terms cuts. I presume that that is based on a multiyear forecast of what inflation will be. That is a bit of a stab in the dark, is it not? At the moment, the retail prices index is more than 12 per cent. In the context of the multiyear funding award, we could be looking at quite a drastic real-terms cut in funding.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Before I bring Colin Beattie in, I want to have a look at one other area: Brexit. There have been periods in the past when Scotland’s colleges have been able to draw on European social funds and other streams of support from the European Union. That support is no longer available or is being tapered out of the system completely. In its place, we are offered the United Kingdom shared prosperity fund. Will that find its way through to Scotland’s colleges in the way that European Union funds did? Given that it is likely to be administered by, or go to, local authorities, what expectation is there that that money will reach the further education sector?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I invite Colin Beattie to ask some questions about the sector’s financial sustainability.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

We move to questions from Craig Hoy.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Do I discern from the briefing and what you have just said that there is a sufficient level of urgency on the part of the Scottish Funding Council and the Scottish Government to implement the recommendations that were made publicly in, I think, June 2021?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everybody to the 22nd meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I will shortly bring in Willie Coffey, but I will just compare and contrast two of the statistics in your briefing. On the one hand, the student satisfaction rate among full-time students is very high, at 88 per cent; however, the line above that tells us that 27 per cent of full-time further education students withdrew—they dropped out. I can only assume that the students who were surveyed under the satisfaction survey did not include those who had withdrawn.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

The figures on the financial sustainability of the sector ring alarm bells, as we have heard already. Another area that is covered in the briefing that is also a cause for concern is the figures that you have produced on student outcomes. Sharon Dowey has questions on that subject.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I have a final question to put to you, on something that you have already alluded to, which is the fact that the Parliament’s Education, Children and Young People Committee is conducting an inquiry into the regionalisation and restructuring of the college sector. Have you given or will you be giving evidence to that committee?