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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Colin Beattie has some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Will you briefly touch on nationalisation, Colin? I will then bring in Graham Simpson.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

In the minutes that are remaining, I want to bring in Craig Hoy briefly, and then I will ask Graham Simpson whether he has a question to put to Mr Mackay.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Craig Hoy has some questions to put to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

You have talked about other evidence that we have received, which you think revises the history book a little bit. In your submission to the committee you said that you were

“first aware of the guarantees issue following the selection of preferred bidder”.

However, the correspondence from February 2015 suggests that you were aware of that issue much earlier.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

No. I am trying to understand whether you had to sign off the voted loan decision.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Would that have gone to, for example, the cabinet secretary for finance, the Scottish Government’s director general in charge of finance, or the Cabinet?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I have a quick “yes or no” question for you, Mr Mackay. You mentioned in passing the issue of whether it was a fixed-price contract. Is it your belief that it was a fixed-price contract that you approved?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

It is. Thank you.

We have received a great deal of conflicting evidence—written and oral—over the past few months. As a committee, it is our duty to try to get to the bottom of that and, I suppose, to exercise a test of reasonableness with regard to what we believe. I thank you for your evidence this morning, which has illuminated some of that situation. On some matters, your evidence has perhaps created more areas where there appears to be conflicting evidence. We appreciate your willingness to appear before us and your frankness. If, on reflection, there are other issues that you want to bring to our attention, please do not hesitate to do that. Thank you for your time.

I bring the public part of the meeting to a close.

11:05 Meeting continued in private until 11:42.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 8 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. However, would you not expect it to be quite well known, during that period, that CMAL had identified what was a major problem with the contract, as it was outlined by Ferguson Marine?