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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 August 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Richard Leonard

You form part of the Scottish Government’s consolidated accounts, albeit a very small part, presumably.

10:45  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Richard Leonard

You are under the umbrella of the Scottish public finance manual, and you are the accountable officer as the chief executive of the commission.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Richard Leonard

That is helpful. Julie Paterson, do you think that the audit arrangements with which you have to comply are disproportionate and overly burdensome?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 1 May 2025

Richard Leonard

I should preface my remarks by saying that if you appear in front of the Public Audit Committee—which I am the convener of—invariably it is because things have gone wrong. The fact that you have not is probably a reflection on your good performance and conduct.

I was quite taken aback by Julie Paterson’s remark that she and the commission had not given evidence to a Scottish Parliament committee up until now. I am surprised by that, not only because of the quality of the evidence that you have given us this morning but because of the important role that your organisation plays. You referenced your interventions around the discharge of patients into care homes and so on during the pandemic and the compromise of human rights that that entailed. I am really surprised that no parliamentary committee picked up on your role in that and asked you to give evidence on it. That is now on the record, so I am sure that that will be reviewed.

Craig Naylor, you mentioned earlier that you are working with Audit Scotland on a best-value review of policing in Scotland. The Auditor General was in front of the Public Audit Committee this week. He does not come because of bad behaviour; he comes to inform us and help us be illuminated in our work. He was talking about his forward work programme, and he mentioned the work that he is doing with your inspectorate. I think that he said that it is a requirement of the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012 that there has to be a collaborative relationship with you in carrying out a best-value review of the Scottish Police Authority and Police Scotland. Is that correct? Will you tell us a little bit more about how that relationship works?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. This is the start of a consultation process, and I know that other committees of the Parliament might also have a view on what best, or optimum, practice might be when it comes to the work that you are doing on some of these areas.

We will now move on, and I invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Indeed. I will invite Colin Beattie first, and then Stuart McMillan, to raise some questions with the Auditor General in that area.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Graham Simpson has some questions.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Our main agenda item this morning is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s work programme for the year April 2025 to March 2026, which effectively takes us up to the next Scottish Parliament election.

I am very pleased to welcome Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland. Alongside the Auditor General are Alison Cumming, who is an executive director of performance audit and best value at Audit Scotland, and Mark MacPherson, who is an audit director at Audit Scotland.

We have quite a number of questions to put to you this morning, Auditor General, but before we get to those, I invite you to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed.

I will begin by looking at the general picture. At the very start of what you just said and in your written presentation to the committee, you set out pretty clearly the challenges that are being faced by all public bodies, led by the Scottish Government.

You gave a sense that things are not really going in the right direction. You talked about demand for public services rising at the same time as the financial outlook is, in your words, “challenging and volatile”. You also talked about the growing gap between budget forecasts and spending plans, and a lack of clarity around that issue and how it will be addressed.

The recurring theme throughout your presentation is around the sustainability of public services—particularly, although not exclusively, their financial sustainability.

You also reminded us that there are still persistent inequalities that are not being addressed, and that the outcomes that people experience show significant variations, based on disability, race, where they live and the extent to which they are living in an impoverished community or in poverty themselves.

All of those things pose big challenges. The big question is, then: how do you think that the Scottish Government is responding to those challenges?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Richard Leonard

That is tomorrow.