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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 4 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

We resume this morning’s consideration of evidence by the Public Audit Committee with agenda item 3, under which we continue our consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s section 22 report, “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”.

I welcome our witnesses. We are joined by Maggie Chapman MSP, who is a member of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. Alongside her is David McGill, who is the clerk/chief executive of the Scottish Parliament, and Huw Williams, who is private secretary and head of office in the clerk/chief executive’s office.

We have received your written submissions in response to a letter that was sent in my name, as convener of the Public Audit Committee, and in Martin Whitfield’s name, as convener of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. We shall no doubt turn to some of the issues arising from that in our questions.

We have set aside some time for questions from members of the committee, but we would like to offer Maggie Chapman the opportunity to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Before I turn to Sharon Dowey, I observe that although this committee is particularly interested in the historical reviews, we are also interested in the history of the outcomes that those reviews have produced.

I ask Sharon Dowey to open the questioning for us.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

That sounds like the institutions are happy, but what about the complainants? You do not need to answer that question.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you. One of the things that we are interested in is the gap that might exist between the theory and the practice. The issue is whether the good practice that you have outlined is actually being followed through, whether it was followed through in session 5 and, if not, how we came to that situation. Martin Whitfield and I wrote to you initially about our concerns that came out of the section 22 report by Audit Scotland, and one of the underlying issues that we outlined in our letter was how things could have got to that stage and why there was not much earlier intervention.

Something else that is referred to in the correspondence is enhanced governance arrangements. The expression that is used in the report is that they had

“deteriorated to a significant degree”.

There is a record of deep-seated problems at almost an interinstitutional level. Could you outline to us what progress you have made in the area of enhancing the governance arrangements and seeking to address the clear deficiencies that gave rise to the section 22 report into the ethical standards commissioner?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome to the 23rd meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Do I discern from the briefing and what you have just said that there is a sufficient level of urgency on the part of the Scottish Funding Council and the Scottish Government to implement the recommendations that were made publicly in, I think, June 2021?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everybody to the 22nd meeting in 2022 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I will shortly bring in Willie Coffey, but I will just compare and contrast two of the statistics in your briefing. On the one hand, the student satisfaction rate among full-time students is very high, at 88 per cent; however, the line above that tells us that 27 per cent of full-time further education students withdrew—they dropped out. I can only assume that the students who were surveyed under the satisfaction survey did not include those who had withdrawn.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

The figures on the financial sustainability of the sector ring alarm bells, as we have heard already. Another area that is covered in the briefing that is also a cause for concern is the figures that you have produced on student outcomes. Sharon Dowey has questions on that subject.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2022”

Meeting date: 22 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I have a final question to put to you, on something that you have already alluded to, which is the fact that the Parliament’s Education, Children and Young People Committee is conducting an inquiry into the regionalisation and restructuring of the college sector. Have you given or will you be giving evidence to that committee?