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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Do we know, at this stage, whether the next census will be in 10 years or nine years?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I will steer away from politics, then, and ask my final question, at this stage.

You might recall that we had some quite detailed conversations with NRS about its access to administrative data. I think that it is the case that the Office for National Statistics has much more extensive access to HM Revenue and Customs data and Department for Work and Pensions data, for example. It has access to a much broader suite of data as a result of agreements that it had entered into. We were told that those are not data-sharing agreements that were entered into for the sole purpose of the census; they were entered into for other reasons. Nonetheless, it means that the ONS has wider access to much more comprehensive data than National Records of Scotland has.

My recollection is that when we quizzed National Records of Scotland, it said that it was looking to improve access to Scottish data sources in a range of work that it does, but is still at quite an early stage in that. The committee would be interested to learn—if you can help us with this—what progress has been made in respect of the data-sharing agreements that were spoken about in January this year.

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Anecdotally, one of the things that I picked up around the time of the census was that, for people who did not complete the census in one go, they discovered when they went to log back on that they had to start right from the beginning. I do not know whether that feature was common to the systems that were applied in Wales, Northern Ireland and England or whether it was a deficiency in the Scottish system that, perhaps, drove down the completion rate. I do not know whether you have picked that up.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. The committee will need to consider whether we want to pursue that with NRS.

I invite Willie Coffey to put questions to the witnesses.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2023-24

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Richard Leonard

We are still in the age of sticks and not carrots.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2023-24

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Yes, and then I will go on to my next question.

The reason why we are interested in those costs is because, from one year to the next, there is a massive increase of 57.5 per cent. That sounds massive. Does that tell us that there has been a failure in the preceding period? It sounds a lot more than an adjustment; it sounds like a substantial leap in the fees that are charged to FE colleges.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2023-24

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Okay. You have described that the increase will meet the salary of a controller of audit. What is the rest of the additional expenditure for?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2023-24

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Richard Leonard

You say that it is tangled up, but a lot of the work that you do either is work that you commission Audit Scotland to do or is badged as a joint report.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2023-24

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Richard Leonard

As a commission, we have a strategic interest in the relationship between the Accounts Commission and Audit Scotland. You talk about pulling apart. It is not a separation that we are talking about, is it?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2023-24

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I have one final process question. I presume that this is the will of the Government minister who is responsible for local government. How does that work in the environment of the Audit Scotland board, for example? Does the minister sit on the board or is a directive issued to the board? Are you the missionary for the minister on that board, Mr Moyes?