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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I will bring Willie Coffey back in later, but I will now switch to Craig Hoy.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I am not sure that the committee believes in coincidences, Mr Williams, but we are keen to be kept abreast of the progress that you are making, because that was an important recommendation in the Auditor General’s report.

Willie Coffey has another couple of questions before I turn to, last but not least, Colin Beattie.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2020/21 audit of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

On that constructive suggestion by the committee to our witnesses, I draw this evidence session to a close. I thank Maggie Chapman, David McGill and Huw Williams for being prepared to come to committee this morning to answer the questions that we had and respond to what has, by common consent, been a very difficult situation that has raised some pretty fundamental questions about the governance structures and whether they need to be reformed.

As I said, we are a committee that is principally concerned with outcomes and not necessarily with reviews. We will discuss our next steps, but I am sure that we will be keeping a close eye on the issue to understand how effectively any changes that you have heralded are implemented. I thank the witnesses once again for their time this morning.

10:57 Meeting continued in private until 11:40.  

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

We have two items of public evidence gathering on our agenda. The first is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report, “National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”.

Our witnesses from Audit Scotland, who are in the committee room, are Antony Clark, executive director, performance audit and best value, and Anne Cairns, manager, performance audit and best value. We have some questions to put to the witnesses, but, before we get to those, I ask Antony to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Thanks for that helpful clarification.

You have said that the amount of fraud identified in the exercise was slightly down on that identified in 2020, which was when the exercise was last undertaken. Do you see that as a sign of success in that there is growing public awareness, or as a sign of failure in that more fraud has gone undetected?

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

We have some more questions on that subject. Colin Beattie wants to follow up on that line of questioning.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I appreciate that. If you can get back to us with those figures, that would be helpful.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Absolutely, and thank you for that undertaking.

I will bring in Willie Coffey, who has questions on areas of future development.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

Of course.

Public Audit Committee

“National Fraud Initiative in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Richard Leonard

I thank Antony Clark and Anne Cairns for their time and the level of information that they have given us. It has been really helpful and given us some direct answers to some important questions that we have been keen to put to them. We shall no doubt see them in the future on the NFI.

I suspend the meeting to allow a changeover of witnesses.

10:04 Meeting suspended.  

10:06 On resuming—