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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

We might need to follow up with you or NRS on elements that have arisen from the evidence that we have taken. Before I draw the public part of the meeting to a close, I thank our witnesses—Dharshi Santhakumaran, Graeme Samson and the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle—for their evidence.

10:10 Meeting continued in private until 11:24.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much for that helpful introduction to the report. I will begin by asking a factual question. The report talks about something called the census coverage survey. First of all, could you explain to us what that is?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

Do we know, at this stage, whether the next census will be in 10 years or nine years?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I will steer away from politics, then, and ask my final question, at this stage.

You might recall that we had some quite detailed conversations with NRS about its access to administrative data. I think that it is the case that the Office for National Statistics has much more extensive access to HM Revenue and Customs data and Department for Work and Pensions data, for example. It has access to a much broader suite of data as a result of agreements that it had entered into. We were told that those are not data-sharing agreements that were entered into for the sole purpose of the census; they were entered into for other reasons. Nonetheless, it means that the ONS has wider access to much more comprehensive data than National Records of Scotland has.

My recollection is that when we quizzed National Records of Scotland, it said that it was looking to improve access to Scottish data sources in a range of work that it does, but is still at quite an early stage in that. The committee would be interested to learn—if you can help us with this—what progress has been made in respect of the data-sharing agreements that were spoken about in January this year.

09:30  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

To be clear, are there or are there not more risks associated with relying on less primary data and more administrative data?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

You referred to this a few minutes ago. Do you have a view on the target of a 90 per cent return rate as set against the backdrop of there having been a 97 per cent return rate in the other parts of the UK? Does not that target lack ambition, when other parts of the UK managed, in a digital first census, to achieve return rates of 97 per cent 12 months earlier? Why was the ambition only to get a 90 per cent return rate?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

We are agreed on that, too. Thank you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of National Records of Scotland”

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Richard Leonard

The return rates in England, Wales and Northern Ireland were, from memory, about 97 per cent. Did their census coverage survey focus on the reasons why 3 per cent did not respond or did it have a wider role to play in giving more qualitative information about the census returns?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2023-24

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Richard Leonard

That would be useful.

I will move on to another area on which we want to challenge you a little. On page 6, paragraph 10 summarises the net increase that you are looking for. Roughly £563,000 is the net additional figure that you are looking for in uplift from the Parliament. By my calculations, about half of that is as a result of an increase in funding support to the Accounts Commission. Could you maybe elaborate on why that significant increase is there?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Budget Proposal 2023-24

Meeting date: 14 December 2022

Richard Leonard

I presume that there is currently a resource in Audit Scotland—that is where the post has resided, although I do not know what the current configuration is.