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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 August 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

If you will forgive me for saying so, there is a bit of an air of complacency about what you have said. On 19 March—just a few weeks ago—the Auditor General also said:

“there now needs to be a fundamental review of how the system is operating and whether it is meeting the needs of children and young people”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 19 March 2025; c 23.]

That sounds like a pretty fundamental challenge to the way in which the provision of additional support for learning is being funded, how the funds are being distributed and the extent to which the monitoring and data collection process is working properly. Do you accept that criticism?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Do you also accept the conclusion that it is

“difficult to assess whether the Scottish Government, councils and their partners are planning for and providing the appropriate support to meet pupils’ needs, in line with their rights”?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Key message 1 is about the context in which you are operating and delivering the services. It talks about an “eightfold increase” in the number of pupils receiving additional support for learning, so there has been a huge rise in the scale of demand for such support. The gender breakdown shows that boys are more likely than girls to need additional support in our school system, and there is a contrast between the least deprived areas and the most deprived areas—the requirement for additional support in the most deprived areas is twice as high as it is in the least deprived areas. Again, to confirm, do you accept those findings as being an accurate assessment of where we are?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. You have told us about the recommendations that have been taken forward and have acknowledged the findings of the briefing by the Auditor General and the Accounts Commission, but, for the record, does the Scottish Government accept its findings, conclusions and key messages?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 14th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

Under the first agenda item, members of the committee are invited to decide whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Is she from the Scottish Government?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

I will take that as a yes.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

The SEEMiS system is the Scottish education management information system, is it not? It is the data collection system.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

I will go to Stuart McMillan, who has a question about an earlier point.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you.

Two members of this committee at this time still have questions to put to you. I will move straight along and invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put his questions to you.