The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
It’s also possible to run basic Boolean searches. For example:
There are two ways of searching by date.
You can either use the Start date and End date options to run a search across a particular date range. For example, you may know that a particular subject was discussed at some point in the last few weeks and choose a date range to reflect that.
Alternatively, you can use one of the pre-defined date ranges under “Select a time period”. These are:
If you search by an individual session, the list of MSPs and committees will automatically update to show only the MSPs and committees which were current during that session. For example, if you select Session 1 you will be show a list of MSPs and committees from Session 1.
If you add a custom date range which crosses more than one session of Parliament, the lists of MSPs and committees will update to show the information that was current at that time.
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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
As a committee, we are used to delays. Sometimes, they are not as inevitable as you perhaps suggest. What does the delay do to the cost of those projects? Will they come in on budget, or will they be over budget because of that delay?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
I have a quick follow-up question that is based on the Audit Scotland report. You said that you agree with its findings and recommendations. One of the headline findings of the report is:
“The proposed National Care Service will place a huge strain on the health and social care budget”.
Do you accept that conclusion?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Yes, but the conclusion that has been drawn by the Auditor General is that you need to work more closely with the NHS boards.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay. Thank you. We will watch that with interest.
You used the word “challenging” a few times. It is worth noting, for the record, that the word used by the Auditor General is “concerning”. In paragraph 17 of the report, he said:
“The financial position of the NHS in Scotland is concerning.”
There is, I think, a suggestion there that things are not as they should be and that there are potential consequences for the kind of treatment that people can expect to get.
I will turn to what is, I suppose, at the heart of many of the questions that we are asking you this morning. How long does the Scottish Government think that it will take to clear the current backlog and fully recover healthcare services to a pre-pandemic level?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Mr Burns, you are using the language of progress and improvement but, to give two examples from the Audit Scotland report, the percentage of A and E attendances seen within four hours dropped from 83 per cent in December 2019 to just 62 per cent in December 2022, and paragraph 37 of the report states that delayed discharges
“increased to the highest level since 2014/15”.
That does not sound like progress and improvement to me. It sounds as if we are going not forwards but backwards.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Thank you.
10:00Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay, but the Audit Scotland report came out in February, yet, just two days ago, in this Parliament, the chief executive of NHS Dumfries and Galloway told the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee:
“I have worked in the NHS since the 1980s. I am a finance director by background and I have never seen a position as challenging as this.”
He then went on to speak about
“an existential challenge to our current service models”.
He also said:
“technically, I cannot afford one in 10 of my workforce”.—[Official Report, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, 2 May 2023; c 13-14.]
There is severe pressure on territorial health boards, is there not? It looks a bit more like the picture painted by Audit Scotland than the one that you have painted for us this morning.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay. Obviously, as the Public Audit Committee, we are interested in the public accountability of the service, and the only way for us to achieve that is to have the data and that degree of transparency. You might share our frustration, but I re-emphasise to you that we think that it is extremely important, because, for many people, general practice is their access point to the national health service.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
That pretty much brings us to the close of the session. There are two things in the report that I want to highlight, on which I would welcome your views. One is the agenda for reform. The clear message from the Auditor General is that the level of funding for the NHS is at a record level—£19 billion—yet we continue to see suboptimal outcomes. I guess that the debate about what we need to do to change and reconfigure services is central to that.
Some of this goes back to the Christie commission of over 10 years ago and what it said about having a preventative agenda and taking a broader view of public health, rather than just having a view of the institution of the national health service. That rests on public debate and engagement, so, in closing, it would be useful to find out your perspective on that and what your plans are in that regard.
The other issue is related to that. One of the key recommendations in the report—you said that you accepted the recommendations—was that you publish annual progress updates on service reform. Is it your intention to do that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 4 May 2023
Richard Leonard
Okay. A lot of this morning’s discussion will be about the financial pressures on the national health service. Caroline Lamb, you are the accountable officer responsible for £19 billion of public money, so it is quite important that we get an understanding that you are on top of the pressures that you face. I will turn to Craig Hoy, who has some questions to put to you.