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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everybody to the 14th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from Colin Beattie. I welcome Bill Kidd, who is substituting for him today.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Are we agreed to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2021/22”

Meeting date: 11 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much.

As you have suggested, those are very much the kind of areas that we want to probe, question and better understand. However, before we get to questions, I invite Jonathan Athow to give us an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2021/22”

Meeting date: 11 May 2023

Richard Leonard

We are a bit pressed for time, so we will move on to another area that has been of special interest to the committee. Craig Hoy will ask about that.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2021/22”

Meeting date: 11 May 2023

Richard Leonard

We have a couple of minutes left. Jonathan Athow, if you want to add to that, please feel free to do so.

Public Audit Committee

“Administration of Scottish income tax 2021/22”

Meeting date: 11 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is consideration of the report entitled “Administration of Scottish income tax 2021/22”. I am pleased to welcome our witnesses from His Majesty’s Revenue and Customs and the Scottish Government. Alyson Stafford is director general of the Scottish exchequer, and Lorraine King is deputy director of the Scottish Government tax and revenues directorate. We are also joined by Jonathan Athow, who is director general for customer strategy and tax design at HMRC, and Phil Batchelor, who is deputy director for income tax policy at HMRC.

We have quite a number of questions that we want to put to the witnesses. However, before we get into those questions, I invite Alyson Stafford to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 4 May 2023

Richard Leonard

The principal item on our agenda is an evidence session on the Audit Scotland section 23 report, “NHS in Scotland 2022”. In the interests of transparency, I refer members to my entry in the members’ register of interests, which includes membership of two trade unions that organise in the national health service.

I am especially pleased to welcome our three witnesses: Caroline Lamb, chief executive of NHS Scotland and the director-general of health and social care; Richard McCallum, director of health finance and governance in the Scottish Government; and John Burns, chief operating officer in NHS Scotland. You are all very welcome. We have quite a number of questions that we would like to put to you. Before we get to those, I ask Caroline Lamb to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everybody to the 13th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from Colin Beattie and Willie Coffey, but I am delighted to welcome Bill Kidd, who is substituting on the committee today.

The first item on the agenda is for members to consider whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we agreed to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 4 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay, thanks.

Do you accept the point made by the Auditor General, in paragraph 99 of the report, that

“The wording of the new targets is open to interpretation”?

There is a question mark over whether waiting time targets are properly useful and transparent for people. The report also notes, in paragraph 105, that the Office for Statistics Regulation has deliberated over the statistics produced by the Scottish Government on waiting times and concluded that they could be misleading because they are based on median waiting times. Do you accept that criticism?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 4 May 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay, but we had an exchange of correspondence about a year ago and you wrote to me on 13 May 2022, saying:

“We are committed to being open and transparent about data on waiting times performance”.

However, several months later, an Audit Scotland report comes out and points out that not only have you been criticised by the Office for Statistics Regulation because your waiting time target information is not transparent, but you are being criticised in a similar vein by the Auditor General.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “NHS in Scotland 2022”

Meeting date: 4 May 2023

Richard Leonard

When can we expect to see that?