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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Was there quite a wide variance between those different groups of households? One of the stated and agreed public policy objectives of the expansion of early learning and childcare is about increasing levels of economic activity, is it not? If it is not serving the needs of parents and carers who are at work or want to go to work, that is a public policy issue that needs to be addressed, is it not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Has there been any response yet? Do we know what actions the Scottish Government will take in light of the report on the 10 pilots?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Yes. Thank you very much. I turn to the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, who has a series of questions to put to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

That is a very clear answer, which is very helpful. Thank you

Willie Coffey has some more questions to put to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

We have spoken a little bit already about flexibility and outcomes. One of the expected outcomes that there has, I think, been some measurement of was that the increased provision for pre-school education might lead to parents and carers taking a decision to defer their children going into primary school. On the evidence that you have produced in the report, that does not appear to have happened to the extent that people may have expected. Will you say a little more about that? Do you have any understanding of why that is? Is it a cultural thing? Are there other factors at play that mean that we have not seen the choice, which is there, being made to defer children’s going into primary school?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the Public Audit Committee’s 18th meeting in 2023.

The first item on our agenda is for members to consider whether to take in private agenda items 3, 4 and 5. Are members agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I should also record that we have apologies from Colin Beattie.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

This morning, we will hear evidence on the Audit Scotland and Accounts Commission section 23 report, “Early learning and childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”. To that end, I welcome our four witnesses. We are joined by the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle, who is accompanied by Tricia Meldrum, a senior manager at Audit Scotland, and Rebecca Smallwood, an audit manager at Audit Scotland. I am pleased that we are also joined by Sophie Flemig from the Accounts Commission. It is a joint report by the two organisations. You are all very welcome.

We have a number of questions to put to you on the report but, before we get to questions, I ask the Auditor General to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed.

My first question is on that last point. You make it clear in the report that it is too early or you are not yet in a position to make an assessment around the impact of the policy. What do you envisage your timescale being to be able to do that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 15 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Willie Coffey is also deputy convener of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee, so he has a particular interest in seeing how that spread works.

Can I return very briefly to infrastructure, capital spend and so on? In the report, you talk about completion rates. I think that you said that the completion rate had risen from 87 per cent to 95 per cent over the course of the year that you were looking at. What is the current completion rate?