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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
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  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
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Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That was very helpful.

Can I ask each of you if you have got any reflections on the recent Audit Scotland report that spoke about the extent to which there is joined-up working across Government in pursuit of net zero targets?

I will read out a couple of the conclusions from the report. The Auditor General said:

“The Scottish Government does not routinely carry out carbon assessments or capture the impact of spending decisions on its carbon footprint in the long term.”

He also said:

“The Scottish Government does not assess how far the policies outlined in the Climate Change Plan Update will contribute to net zero.”

Finally, he said:

“The Scottish Government does not know how much the policies proposed in the current Climate Change Plan Update will cost”.

Do you think that that is a fair assessment? We will start with Alison Cumming.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Before I move on to Craig Hoy, I note that when we took evidence last year from Transport Scotland, it described the situation as it was then as “a fairly narrow point” and, again, said:

“it is a narrow point about the evaluation of assets.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 24 March 2022; c 14.]

Is that how you would characterise it?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thanks. In his opening remarks, Professor Alexander talked about the organisation considering “our purpose”. I think that most of us would consider the primary purpose to be to carry out audits of public bodies. From those figures, it appears that you are not making the progress that we would want to see. I would like to understand from you the extent to which that is to do with timeliness issues among the bodies that you are auditing versus timeliness issues in your own organisation.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Do you know when you will get back to pre-pandemic levels of completion?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. Key message number 1 in the report says:

“We are making progress in returning the timeliness of our financial audit to pre-pandemic timescales but have more work to do.”

As I read them, the figures in the report are that, two years ago, 82 per cent of audits were delivered to schedule. A year ago, it was 75 per cent, and in this report, it is 51 per cent. That does not sound to me like progress, but perhaps you could explain those figures.

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Therefore, you looked at that yourself. Were you also satisfied that the director general had scrutinised and analysed that to the depth that was necessary to arrive at the conclusion that written authority was required?

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

That is fine. You will be aware of, and you have alluded to, the fact that Gregor Irwin, the director general economy, appeared before the committee a couple of weeks ago. During that evidence session, we spoke to him about access for the committee to the Teneo report and the information that led to the decision to request a written authority. At the time, he told us:

“What we are doing—and what we will work through with the Auditor General and his team—is seeing what we can do to share additional information. That process is on-going and is not yet complete, but we absolutely need to get it right, because we are committed to transparency.”

Two weeks later, we got a letter back from Mr Irwin saying no to that request. What happened between 1 June and 14 June?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 19th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. We have apologies from Colin Beattie this morning; I welcome Bill Kidd who is substituting for him. I also welcome Graham Simpson, who is joining this morning’s meeting.

The first item on our agenda is for members of the committee to agree to take items 4, 5, 6,7 and 8 in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

The First Minister tells us in his document “Equality, opportunity, community: New leadership—A fresh start” that

“it is imperative that transparency underpins our approach to delivery. My government will ensure the people of Scotland have the information they need to hold us to account.”

How do you reconcile that statement of intent with what has happened with this issue?

Public Audit Committee

Written Authority: Completion of Vessel 802

Meeting date: 22 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Surely there is nobody in the Government more familiar with what is in that Teneo report than the director-general economy. Why would he sit two weeks ago where you are sat today and say that work was on-going, that he was having discussions with Audit Scotland and that he hoped to release at least some of the information in that document?