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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. I take the opportunity to place on record my thanks to Craig Hoy for the contribution that he made to the work of the committee over the past two years.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Under item 2, members of the committee are invited to agree whether or not to take business in private. Do members agree to take items 4, 5 and 6 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Mr Brannen, you mentioned taxonomy, which is the classification of spending into categories of high, medium and low carbon impact and so on, is it not? Mr Raines, you mentioned the Fraser of Allander Institute. In some of its commentary, the Fraser of Allander Institute is quite critical of your taxonomy. It says:

“These classifications are very broad. For example, all health spending is classified as neutral spending, regardless of the underlying activity. This risks misclassifying high-emission activities as beneficial, or carbon-reduction activities as harmful. It is not known what emissions impact a spend classified as ‘high’, ‘low’, or ‘neutral’ emissions actually has.”

That is a fairly fundamental criticism of the model that you are using. It says:

“Both the high-level carbon assessment and taxonomy carbon assessment of the capital budget methodologies are, in our view, unable to provide an adequate level of scrutiny and transparency.”

How do you respond to that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

I have more questions on areas that relate to that, but I will turn first to Colin Beattie, who has some questions to put to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. Some of the international comparisons might be interesting. As a committee, we might have a look at what other countries do to provide EV charge points.

Before I bring in Sharon Dowey, I have a question. You said at the outset, Mr Brannen, that you welcomed the Audit Scotland report. Do you accept all its findings and recommendations?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

I will bring Graham Simpson back in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Well, it is not in the same category. I understand why the Cabinet does not produce its minutes later the same day and that there are year-long rules about when and how Cabinet minutes might be produced—I get that—but this is an operational strategic body that might, in Mr Simpson’s words, be accountable to us as parliamentarians for the decisions that it is taking. I think that there is quite a distinction between a Cabinet—and a Cabinet sub-committee—and this GCE board.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

So, the outcome is that we then get to see none of that, is it not, Mr Brannen?

09:45  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “How the Scottish Government is set up to deliver climate change goals”

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. We are a bit pressed for time, so I am going to invite Willie Coffey to put a question to you.

Public Audit Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 7 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 21st meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee.

The first item on our agenda is a declaration of interests. I invite Graham Simpson, who joins the committee in place of Craig Hoy, to declare any relevant interests.