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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

These things we shall return to. Graham Simpson has some questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

The deputy convener will turn to another part of the justice system that has faced increased pressure and, I presume, increased costs.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Good. Do you accept the recommendations and the timescales set out in the Auditor General’s report?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

I am not entirely clear from that whether you are going to meet the timescales set out in the recommendations. For those people who are following this, the Auditor General’s report sets out a series of recommendations, some of which the Scottish Government should carry out in the next three to six months and others for which the realistic timescale is in the next 12 months. There are others that should be carried out in the next two years and, finally, there is a section of recommendations that the Auditor General thinks should be carried out in the next 12 to 18 months. Do you agree that they are realistic timescales, and is it your intent to meet those timescales?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I am conscious of the time, so I will move on to Willie Coffey, who has a couple of questions to put to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Forgive me. How is that split between direct Government expenditure and grants or support that is given to those advocacy and support networks?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Off the top of your head this morning, do you know roughly how much of the £48 million is additional and how much of it is recurring?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

I find it quite unusual to hear the preparation and implementation of a three-year delivery plan being described as an “irresponsible” act. I think that most of us would view that as the responsible thing to do, given that, as Mr Simpson pointed out, it was initially intended to be produced in August 2022 and was again promised for the summer of 2023.

I am sure that the committee’s view would be that we want to see a delivery plan because that gives some concrete sense of the direction of travel. I do not know about you, Mr Rennick, but I do not know what the rate of inflation will be in two or three years’ time, yet I still have to make plans that are based on reasonable assumptions or otherwise. I think that there is a degree of impatience in the committee that that delivery plan has yet to be produced.

I think that you mentioned that Catriona Dalrymple has been working on some of the transformational arrangements, so maybe these questions are for her.

The report refers to the importance of the transformation of the criminal courts being a fully costed project while the delivery plan is being developed. Will you tell us a little more about the extent to which you have worked out the costings, notwithstanding the high winds of inflation that are around us? How did you get on with the costing of those plans?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 22nd meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We will come to your relationships with the victims support organisations a bit later on. Notwithstanding what you have told us in the first 10 minutes, there are some quite direct criticisms of your failure to engage sufficiently with those organisations. However, we will come on to that later.

Mr Rennick, may I ask for some clarity on the answer that you gave? You said that there is £48 million for victims support organisations. Is that additional money that has been put into the system? Over what timeframe has it been put in? We often hear about figures such as £48 million, but is it over a year, two years or three years?