Skip to main content
Loading…

Seòmar agus comataidhean

Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

Criathragan Hide all filters

Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
Select which types of business to include


Select level of detail in results

Displaying 3464 contributions

|

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Sarah Jane Hannah, I want to go back to something that you said about timing. One of the comments that was made to the committee when the Auditor General gave evidence on 29 June was that

“Timeliness is relevant to scrutiny”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 29 June 2023; c 9.]

There was, I think, some concern about the late approval of your accounts. Are you going to be on course and on schedule for this year’s accounts?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Colin, I am really sorry to interrupt you but we are up against time and I know that Willie Coffey has some questions that he wants to ask. The truth of the matter is that we have been very busy this morning and maybe, rather than ask the panel lots of questions, we can write to you with some of the questions that we do not get to and you can respond. The committee can consider how best that could be prosecuted, if you will pardon the expression.

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

I underscore the committee’s recommendation that that investigation should be carried out “thoroughly” but also “urgently”. As Graham Simpson said, it is a year since the programme was broadcast.

I will ask another question, which was identified in our report but not really responded to by your predecessor. Will you respond now to the concerns that the committee expressed about the decision to publicly announce the preferred bidder on 31 August 2015, when

“there were still significant negotiations to be concluded”?

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Is it the Government’s position that you would just do the same all over again?

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

That would be helpful, but it sounds a bit like you are saying that you would do the same again.

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Do you accept that no minute of that was produced or found?

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

The former First Minister said to us:

“Officials have been unable to locate a note of this meeting”.

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. I know that Mr Brannen was absolutely clear about pinning responsibility on Mr Mackay. As a committee, our observation was that, at the time of the decision, there appeared to be more hands on the tiller than just Mr Mackay’s. As you say, minister, we know that it was not a ministerial name on the contract, but it did require ministerial authorisation, which makes it important to us to understand who was responsible.

As I say, we are interested to find out what lessons have been learned from that and how we can get more clarity on what was actually a very important decision and one that has become more important with hindsight, as things have progressed.

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Well, the Government was the only shareholder involved. Anyway, that would be helpful.

I will turn finally to Graham Simpson, who has some more questions to put.

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

As I have mentioned the workforce, I refer members to my entry in the register of members’ interests and my membership of the GMB union.

Do you have any reflections on the role of the workforce and the extent to which it has been involved or, conversely, sidelined in some decisions? Our sense has been, certainly when we visited the yard, that it was absolutely underlined that the workforce had a clear view of how the construction project should have been undertaken, in relation to the configuration and reconfiguration of the yard, but that was ignored. Do you now have a view on the weight that should be attached to that voice?