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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 August 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Are there not?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. So, you think that that is a robust system and you do not think that any body is in the wrong category for auditing purposes.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

I know that Mr Macleod will be familiar with the recent incident involving the Water Industry Commission for Scotland. It is quite a small organisation, and clearly at arm’s length from Government, but it has been the subject of section 22 reports by Audit Scotland because of issues of governance, expenditure and so on. If an internal part of the Scottish Government had similar issues, how would they be addressed?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

That is fine.

A theme that has been highlighted to us, especially by the SPCB-supported commissioners, is a feeling that the level of audit to which they are subject is overly burdensome and disproportionate to the size of their organisations and the functions that they perform. In asking this question, minister, I am looking not just at you but at your team. Have you picked up a similar feeling from the supported bodies for which the Scottish Government is responsible?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

That is step 6. [Laughter.]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I will start with the final area that you were talking about, which is the public sector reform agenda, but also place it in the context of the ministerial control framework. Have you undertaken a mapping exercise to consider where different functions sit among the 131 public bodies that are covered by the Scottish Government?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Well, to see whether there is duplication or overlap.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

My question as a member of this committee, however, is whether you have carried out any kind of assessment of whether there is an overlap or duplication when it comes to the purposes of the different public bodies.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

It is not just about whether you can share IT or HR systems; it is also about whether two bodies are, in part, doing coincidental work or have a coincidental purpose.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 8 May 2025

Richard Leonard

My final question, just for completeness, is this: are you looking at the proportionality of the audit process as part of your assessment of public service reform and whether the landscape is fit for purpose?