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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
I want to take us to a couple of broader areas. The first is governance. In exhibit 1 in the section 22 report, the Auditor General notes that concerns about governance arrangements in the health board have been flagged since May 2022, when there was a Scottish Government national planning and performance oversight group report. The terms of the independent corporate governance review were not agreed for another eight months, in January 2023, and the outcomes of that were not considered by the board until November 2023. That seems to be an inordinate delay in addressing something that is pretty fundamental to the functioning of the board. Maybe Janie McCusker will want come in on that and explain why that timeline looks as it does.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you. That is a useful introduction for us. Willie Coffey will ask the first question.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the seventh meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee.
The first item on the committee’s agenda is to decide whether to take agenda items 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
My question is: why did it take so long? Concerns about governance were flagged up in May 2022. Why did it take until January the following year for a review of governance arrangements to be established? Why did it take another eight months before the conclusions were considered by the board?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
It still seems to me that there were quite big delays between those different staging posts.
I will turn to another area that has been identified in a number of external examinations of the board, which is the culture of relations with staff. The particular recurring theme is that the views and voices of staff were not being listened to. Do you accept that finding?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
I am an old-fashioned trade union person. When you say that you engage with your staff colleagues, do you mean that you sit down with the national health service trade unions?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
Thanks for that answer. Graham Simpson wants to come in on that line of questioning.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
Are there still five beds in four-bedded bays?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
There are. Okay.
Have you carried out all the risk assessments that were required?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 29 February 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay, but my question is this: is there a formal process whereby somebody who leaves the health board—who has been the chief executive or who has been in a senor HR role for a number of years, down to those nursing staff who have left, who have now created vacancies in the system—