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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
About 15 minutes at the most.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
The principal item on our agenda this morning is an evidence-taking session on the Auditor General for Scotland’s briefing paper, “Investing in Scotland’s infrastructure”. I welcome our witnesses, who have joined us in the committee room.
I am pleased to say that we are joined by the director general of the Scottish exchequer, Alyson Stafford. Alongside her are witnesses from the Scottish Government: Morag Angus, chief surveyor; Dr Alison Cumming, director of budget and public spending; and Alan Morrison, deputy director of health infrastructure, investment and personal protective equipment. We are also joined by Alison Irvine, interim chief executive, Transport Scotland, and Peter Reekie, chief executive, Scottish Futures Trust.
In light of the timetabling this morning, we have agreed that there will be no opening statement and that we will go straight to questions. I will begin by asking the director general of the Scottish exchequer a straightforward question: is there any change to the Scottish Government’s capital allocation following yesterday’s budget statement?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. Is that a reduction in the block grant figure? Changes are also projected to be made in the financial transactions sums that you get, are they not?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
This is almost a technical question, but why, in projecting forward, can you have with any certainty a sense of what the figure for a real-terms cut will be? We do not know what inflation will be in two months’ time, never mind two years’ time, do we?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you. My colleagues might have further questions on the subject of yesterday’s budget statement, but I now turn to the Auditor General’s report. I also want to take into account a letter that you sent to the committee on 29 January in which you addressed some of the points raised in our evidence session with the Auditor General.
One of the recommendations that the Auditor General made was on the extent to which you provide “clear and regular information” and the extent to which that information bears out whether it supports “wider governmental goals”. He also commented on improving reporting on “individual projects and programmes” to better highlight cost overruns and/or delays. Will you update the committee on where you are in responding to the recommendations?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
As we are on the subject of roads, I am not going to ask about a local bypass in my region or anything like that, but a broader and probably more profound point here is how you deal with competing interests. There is, of course, pressure for road building, road enhancements and so on, but such things might not be carbon neutral or carbon negative—they might be adding to emission levels. How do you reconcile the competing demands placed on you?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. I think that cohesion is what we are after here. We are looking for cohesion in the operational side as well as the administrative side to make sure that we maximise the opportunities.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Is that capital or revenue, or both?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Time permitting.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 7 March 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you. That was a very useful introduction to that area. It sparks off in my thought process the idea that we might want to have an evidence session just on that, because it is a big area, and it will get bigger over the next few years.
We are short on time, but the deputy convener has a final question or two about maintenance backlog and estate issues.