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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you—fair enough. Just one other thing from me before I go to Bill Kidd again, and that is a question about the assessment and cost benefit analysis that is made on road improvement projects such as on the A83 or whatever it is. How do you reconcile that with the net zero targets? What criteria is used in order to say, “Yes, that’s going ahead,” or, “No, that is not going ahead.” What criteria is used in order to say, “Yes, that’s been prioritised,” or, “No, that’s been deprioritised?”

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. That was very helpful.

Can I ask each of you if you have got any reflections on the recent Audit Scotland report that spoke about the extent to which there is joined-up working across Government in pursuit of net zero targets?

I will read out a couple of the conclusions from the report. The Auditor General said:

“The Scottish Government does not routinely carry out carbon assessments or capture the impact of spending decisions on its carbon footprint in the long term.”

He also said:

“The Scottish Government does not assess how far the policies outlined in the Climate Change Plan Update will contribute to net zero.”

Finally, he said:

“The Scottish Government does not know how much the policies proposed in the current Climate Change Plan Update will cost”.

Do you think that that is a fair assessment? We will start with Alison Cumming.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Before I move on to Craig Hoy, I note that when we took evidence last year from Transport Scotland, it described the situation as it was then as “a fairly narrow point” and, again, said:

“it is a narrow point about the evaluation of assets.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 24 March 2022; c 14.]

Is that how you would characterise it?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

To go back to Sharon Dowey’s point, I presume that those figures were not just plucked out of thin air. I presume that they were informed assessments of what was likely to be needed in order to help to meet the Government’s target.

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I get that, but I also take cognisance of the fact that the previous First Minister declared that we have a climate emergency. That suggests that some fairly urgent action should be taken rather than a gradualist approach.

I do not know whether Mr Signorini can speak a little about what is happening with peatland restoration and why there is a hold-up there.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I will now bring in Willie Coffey, who has a suite of questions to ask.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

One of the points in the report is that Scottish Canals needs to consider the value for money of its approach to valuations, including whether it is getting value for money from the consultants that it engages. Have you seen any evidence that it is doing that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

I will move on to a different question, which is about the leadership of the organisation. We are aware that the former chief executive of Scottish Canals left and that, as recently as May this year, a new chief executive started. Was there a gap before that position was filled and, if there was a gap, has that contributed to some of the difficulties?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

Mark Taylor mentioned earlier that there had been a risk warning about this being a possibility as far back as 2012; we are almost a decade on and auditors are still issuing disclaimers. Some fundamental problems still exist, such as turbulence in the finance team and the leadership of the organisation, and so on. Why is Transport Scotland not injecting some stability into that equation?

Public Audit Committee

Major Capital Projects

Meeting date: 29 June 2023

Richard Leonard

We are trying our best to be strategic this morning and not to get too much into pork-barrel politics, Mr Hoy.

I call the deputy convener.