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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. We will get into that this morning. Are you saying that you do or you do not accept the findings and the recommendations in the section 22 report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 3 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Did you read the Official Report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. To get us under way, I invite Graham Simpson to lead off.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran”

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Richard Leonard

I will now turn to Joe FitzPatrick, who has some questions to put to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 31st meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

Under agenda item 1, do members of the committee agree to take agenda items 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 this morning in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran”

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Richard Leonard

You have said a couple of times already this morning that your concern is that there is no evidence that the board can achieve financial sustainability. How has it come to that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran”

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We now have a final couple of questions from the deputy convener, Jamie Greene.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Ayrshire and Arran”

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed.

We have another evidence session up and coming on NHS Grampian, which was also the subject of a section 22 report. Before we turn to that, I will take this opportunity to thank Fiona Mitchell-Knight, the Auditor General and Leigh Johnston for the evidence that you have given us on the position of NHS Ayrshire and Arran.

I suppose that, for context, we need to understand the point that you made towards the end, which is that not all the 14 territorial health boards have required brokerage. The question for us as the Public Audit Committee is why some boards have required it and others have not. Maybe there are fundamental issues about the funding formula—who knows? I think that there are some wider points that we need to get a better understanding of.

Thank you very much indeed for what has been a very useful session for us. I will now suspend the meeting while we change witnesses.

10:49 Meeting suspended.  

10:53 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“The 2024/25 audit of NHS Grampian”

Meeting date: 26 November 2025

Richard Leonard

That is a moot point and a question for our times, is it not?

I now invite the deputy convener to ask some questions.