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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

That is very helpful. Workforce planning is a recurring theme that the committee has to address.

Chris, I will bring you in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

That is very helpful. I now ask Graham Simpson to kick off his areas of questioning.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee.

The first item for consideration is whether to take agenda item 3 in private. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Anne Rowan, do you want to add anything to that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 16 November 2023

Richard Leonard

We have tried to tease that out with the Scottish Government when it has sat in front of us.

I was going to bring this up later, but I will bring it up now, because it seems to relate to what you said. We have been struck by exhibit 3 in the report, which is a graph that shows huge variation among health boards in the number of face-to-face appointments versus telephone or video appointments. It is not just about remote communities being more reliant on video and telephone appointments. There are stark contrasts. For example, in NHS Ayrshire and Arran, 86 per cent of psychological therapy appointments are face to face, with just 14 per cent being by telephone or video, whereas in NHS Lanarkshire—which I guess has a similar population demographic—just 32 per cent are face to face and more than two thirds are by video or telephone. Can you explain that variation?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Our principal agenda item this morning is agenda item 2, which is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland and Accounts Commission report “Adult mental health”. I welcome everybody to the meeting—we are very pleased to see you. The committee is taking evidence today in a round-table format, which will allow for a more freewheeling session in which we will draw on the experience of the witnesses and the people whom they represent, both in the room—which I will come to shortly—and online.

For those of you who are online—which is the majority of you—if you want to come in at any point, please request to speak via the chat box; that will assist us in making sure that you are brought in when you want. I also ask you to keep your audio and camera on at all times. Your audio will be operated through the Parliament—we will turn on your microphone for live audio when you want to speak.

As is customary for the round-table format, I begin by asking people to introduce themselves and their organisations. We will go round one by one, starting with Jo Anderson, who is with us in the committee room.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you, Meriem; that is very helpful.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thanks. The expression that the Auditor General used was “slow and complicated.” Do you think that that sums it up quite well?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I will ask Jo Anderson to answer that. I will then bring in Peter Kelly on the same general theme and others who might have a response on the GP gateway point that Graham Simpson raised.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 9 November 2023

Richard Leonard

That is helpful.

I will bring in Meriem Timizar next, because I am sure that she will pick up some of those themes.