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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Sarah Jane Hannah, I want to go back to something that you said about timing. One of the comments that was made to the committee when the Auditor General gave evidence on 29 June was that

“Timeliness is relevant to scrutiny”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 29 June 2023; c 9.]

There was, I think, some concern about the late approval of your accounts. Are you going to be on course and on schedule for this year’s accounts?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2021/22 audit of Scottish Canals”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Colin, I am really sorry to interrupt you but we are up against time and I know that Willie Coffey has some questions that he wants to ask. The truth of the matter is that we have been very busy this morning and maybe, rather than ask the panel lots of questions, we can write to you with some of the questions that we do not get to and you can respond. The committee can consider how best that could be prosecuted, if you will pardon the expression.

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

I underscore the committee’s recommendation that that investigation should be carried out “thoroughly” but also “urgently”. As Graham Simpson said, it is a year since the programme was broadcast.

I will ask another question, which was identified in our report but not really responded to by your predecessor. Will you respond now to the concerns that the committee expressed about the decision to publicly announce the preferred bidder on 31 August 2015, when

“there were still significant negotiations to be concluded”?

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Is it the Government’s position that you would just do the same all over again?

Public Audit Committee

“New vessels for the Clyde and Hebrides: Arrangements to deliver vessels 801 and 802”

Meeting date: 21 September 2023

Richard Leonard

That would be helpful, but it sounds a bit like you are saying that you would do the same again.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Forgive me. How is that split between direct Government expenditure and grants or support that is given to those advocacy and support networks?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Off the top of your head this morning, do you know roughly how much of the £48 million is additional and how much of it is recurring?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

I find it quite unusual to hear the preparation and implementation of a three-year delivery plan being described as an “irresponsible” act. I think that most of us would view that as the responsible thing to do, given that, as Mr Simpson pointed out, it was initially intended to be produced in August 2022 and was again promised for the summer of 2023.

I am sure that the committee’s view would be that we want to see a delivery plan because that gives some concrete sense of the direction of travel. I do not know about you, Mr Rennick, but I do not know what the rate of inflation will be in two or three years’ time, yet I still have to make plans that are based on reasonable assumptions or otherwise. I think that there is a degree of impatience in the committee that that delivery plan has yet to be produced.

I think that you mentioned that Catriona Dalrymple has been working on some of the transformational arrangements, so maybe these questions are for her.

The report refers to the importance of the transformation of the criminal courts being a fully costed project while the delivery plan is being developed. Will you tell us a little more about the extent to which you have worked out the costings, notwithstanding the high winds of inflation that are around us? How did you get on with the costing of those plans?

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 22nd meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Criminal courts backlog”

Meeting date: 14 September 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We will come to your relationships with the victims support organisations a bit later on. Notwithstanding what you have told us in the first 10 minutes, there are some quite direct criticisms of your failure to engage sufficiently with those organisations. However, we will come on to that later.

Mr Rennick, may I ask for some clarity on the answer that you gave? You said that there is £48 million for victims support organisations. Is that additional money that has been put into the system? Over what timeframe has it been put in? We often hear about figures such as £48 million, but is it over a year, two years or three years?