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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Let us go back to the variability question, which Simon Burt wants to come in on.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thanks. We will certainly return to workforce planning and some of the other points that you raise. We are pressed for time, so I will move to questions from the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

You have described all the increased needs. In an area such as East Ayrshire, the cost of living crisis and the pandemic have presumably heightened need in the community that you serve. Is that a fair assessment?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Right. Thanks very much.

I have to report that Pamela Cremin in the Highlands was having some technical difficulties, but I think that they have now been solved. I will endeavour to bring her in on the next set of questions. I turn to Willie Coffey to put those questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

We lost connection with Jillian Galloway, but it has been restored. I invite Jillian to give any reflections that she has on the point about the governance arrangements with IJBs that Colin made.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I am sorry, Simon, but I think that Hannah Axon wants to come in on that question. Do you want to come in on that question as well as on your earlier point?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I think that Fiona Davies and Simon Burt indicated that they wanted to come in on the data question. Does Fiona Davies want to come in first? I will then bring in Simon Burt. I do not know whether Pamela Cremin has a view on that, as well, before we move on.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you for that forbearance, Willie, it is much appreciated.

May I come back on that very last point, Richmond? You talked about CAMHS, which is extremely important to all of us, and it is something that the Parliament has concerned itself a great deal with. This report is about adult mental health, so can you tell us a little bit more about what data collection there is on people’s experience of adult mental health, and what those outcomes are?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Jo Gibson, thank you very much for that perspective. It is a really good note on which to conclude our evidence session this morning.

I thank everyone who has taken part. I am sorry that we have had some technical difficulties, which has meant that not everyone has been able to hear everything and we have not been able to hear you as much as we would have liked. Apologies for that.

I thank our witnesses—those who joined us online, and Hannah and Richmond, who joined us in the committee room. It has been a valuable session for us. We have gathered a lot of important evidence, and we will have discussions about how best we can marshal that evidence in order to improve the resourcing of and support for the important work that you do and of which you have oversight. Thank you very much.

10:50 Meeting continued in private until 11:25.  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I will kick us off by asking some questions, before bringing in other members of the committee. I am sure that you will have read the report, which is the genesis of our round-table discussions that have taken place over the past few weeks. It contains a recommendation that people should be provided

“with a choice about whether they access mental health services remotely”—

through telephone or videolink—

“or face-to-face”.

I wonder how you, as different agencies responsible for providing the services and for having oversight of them, respond to that recommendation. I will begin by asking Simon Burt to comment.