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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

You are not negotiating.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

We will take evidence in the new year from the Scottish Funding Council, but I note that, in an evidence-taking session with him, the Auditor General told us that, in 2020-21, three colleges out of 24 were in deficit, and that that rose to nine in 2021-22. I am not saying that there will be a linear progression but, if we extrapolate that rate of deficit growth, that would mean that every college in Scotland would be operating in deficit in the next financial year.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

But, you are here, as a representative of the college principals group, so it is important that you are telling us that.

I will ask Stuart Brown about the reduction in the workforce. One of the points that the Auditor General makes in his report is that, although, on the whole, the public sector workforce has grown, the workforce in the further education sector has contracted. Do you want to comment on that or any of the other points that Derek Smeall introduced?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you—that is clear. Andy Witty, can I ask you to broaden things out? The report identifies other risks that the college sector is up against. Could you elaborate on them and give us your view on them? Are there other risks that are not included in the Auditor General’s assessment?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I think that Simon Burt wants to come in briefly on this point.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Absolutely. Hannah Axon has a quick last word on this topic before we come to our last question.

10:45  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Jo Gibson, I will bring you in first on the last question because I have not heard from you for a while. It is on plans and strategic direction. In 2017, the Government published the “Mental Health Strategy 2017-2027” document. In October 2020, there was “Mental Health—Scotland’s Transition and Recovery”. There was a mental health and wellbeing strategy a couple of years later, and we have heard this morning about the launch at the beginning of this month of a delivery plan, a workforce action plan and the outcomes framework about which we spoke. Has there been a surfeit of plans and strategies? Do they demonstrate an evolution of thinking, or is it a matter of keeping on reinventing the wheel and not enough changing on the ground?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I turn to the people who are joining us remotely.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I am going to reflect on exhibit 3 in the report. It is a chart that shows the variations among health board areas for psychological therapies appointment types. It is for the year 2022. Does anybody want to comment on why there are such huge variations?

For me, what comes out of this evidence, and I cited an example last week, is the big difference between the number of face-to-face appointments in NHS Ayrshire and Arran, for example, where the figure is as high as 86 per cent, and an area that Graham Simpson and I represent, NHS Lanarkshire, where the figure is just 32 per cent—less than a third of appointments there are face to face and 68 per cent are conducted through remote video and telephone links. Does anybody have a view on why two areas with a slightly different population size but a more or less similar demographic have such a big variation? Richmond Davies, do you have any perspectives on that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Tracey McKigen, you have a rather more urban landscape in the Lothians. I wonder whether you have a perspective on the recommendation on face-to-face versus remote consultations.