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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay, that is fine.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Unfortunately, Graham Simpson’s intervention means that everyone else now wants to come back in. I am going to make this the very final question. Willie Coffey started it all, so I am going to invite Willie to ask the very last question in this morning’s session.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Mr Rennick, do you want a final word?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Before we finish, Graham Simpson has one other question about the mutual investment model.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 18th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2024. We have received apologies this morning from Colin Beattie.
The first item on our agenda is for the committee to consider whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we content to do that?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you for that. We will get into a bit more of the detail of that as the morning develops. I invite Willie Coffey to open the questioning.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. Mr Reekie, in your broader survey of PFI contracts, are you aware of the quantum of PFI contracts that are coming up over the next few years that have these exit fees?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
I want to revisit a question that was asked earlier. Is it a policy position of the Scottish Government that, on expiry of the PFI contracts, they will all transfer into the public sector?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
I want to explore that dynamic a little bit more, particularly your relationship with the minister or the cabinet secretary, for example. As the Public Audit Committee, we are interested when we hear about a written authority being sought by civil servants from ministers. Last year, we had such a case with the decision to continue with the procurement of MV Glen Rosa, as it is now called—at the time, it was vessel 802—from Ferguson Marine Port Glasgow. The only other instance in recent memory went all the way back to 2007, and that was a decision by the justice secretary at the time not to proceed with the construction of Low Moss prison under PFI. Presumably, the civil service advice was against such a move and, therefore, a written authority was required. Is there any possibility of such conversations being had or outcomes being reached as the PFI contracts expire?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 6 June 2024
Richard Leonard
It was before my time, too, Mr Rennick, but these are instructive lessons from history.