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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Tracey McKigen from NHS Lothian wants to come in on that question.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I think that Tracey McKigen in the Lothians wants to come in. Hannah Axon, who is in the room, has also indicated that she wants to come in. We will go to Tracey McKigen next.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

The evidence that you have given on this area this morning has been very valuable, so thank you for that.

Colin Beattie will now put some questions to you and elicit some more useful information for the committee’s consideration.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Actually, Colin, in the interests of time, Fiona Davies is online and wants to come in. She is an IJB chief officer. Jillian Galloway is also an IJB chief officer, and I do not know whether Simon Burt has got a view. Fiona has indicated that she wants to come in, so I shall bring her in first.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 30th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. I am very pleased to welcome to the public gallery members of the Public Accounts and Public Administration Committee of the Welsh Senedd. Thank you for being here.

The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

We turn to the principal item on our agenda, which is further consideration of the joint report on adult mental health by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting.

The committee is taking evidence in a round-table format, which is intended to promote discussion between witnesses and participants, so feel free to interact. If anyone in the room wishes to come in on the discussion, indicate as such and one of the clerks will pick that up, and we will do our level best to bring you in. Those who are joining us online are very welcome. If you want to come in further to any times when we direct questions to you, you should use the chat room function and type in “request to speak” or “RTS” or use any other term to communicate the fact that you want to come in on a particular question. We have some time constraints, so do not feel obliged to come in on every single question. I will do my level best to bring in as many of you as possible, but experience tells us that there might be occasions when we cannot bring in everybody on every question.

I also say to those who are joining us remotely that the broadcasting team has set up your audio and camera, so you do not need to do anything with those. You should keep them on at all times, and, when it is your turn to speak, we will make sure that your audio is on so that we can all hear you.

As is customary with a round-table format, I will ask everybody who is taking part to introduce themselves and tell us which organisation they are from. I start by turning to the people who are joining us in the committee room.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

I think that Simon Burt wants to come in briefly on this point.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Absolutely. Hannah Axon has a quick last word on this topic before we come to our last question.

10:45  

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Jo Gibson, I will bring you in first on the last question because I have not heard from you for a while. It is on plans and strategic direction. In 2017, the Government published the “Mental Health Strategy 2017-2027” document. In October 2020, there was “Mental Health—Scotland’s Transition and Recovery”. There was a mental health and wellbeing strategy a couple of years later, and we have heard this morning about the launch at the beginning of this month of a delivery plan, a workforce action plan and the outcomes framework about which we spoke. Has there been a surfeit of plans and strategies? Do they demonstrate an evolution of thinking, or is it a matter of keeping on reinventing the wheel and not enough changing on the ground?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I turn to the people who are joining us remotely.