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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is consideration of “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”, which is a section 22 report. I am pleased to welcome our four witnesses, who join us in the room. We are joined by the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle—good morning; Mark MacPherson, audit director at Audit Scotland; Derek Hoy, senior manager at Audit Scotland; and Michael Speight from Forvis Mazars, who is the auditor who carried out the initial audit work.

We have some questions to put to you on the report, Auditor General, but before we get to those, I invite you to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you, Auditor General. That is a useful introduction to the report and to our question areas. First, I turn to the delay. Your report is a section 22 report for the financial year 2022-23, but you published it in May 2025. Could you elaborate on the complexities that you have referred to? It seems to the committee that there was an inordinate delay in carrying out the audit and signing off the report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of Forth Valley College”

Meeting date: 4 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Colin, thank you very much indeed. I invite Stuart McMillan to put some questions to you, starting off on governance and then about whether things have changed.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Before I bring in Stuart McMillan to ask about governance and accountability, I want to go back to something that you mentioned a few minutes ago: the newly established Scottish Government ministerial advisory group. In the report, you refer to another body that was established in January under the international trade and investment directorate—a business investment group that comprises Scottish Government policy advisers as well as representatives from the Scottish National Investment Bank and the three enterprise agencies. Is there a danger of overgovernance—a cluttering of lines of accountability—that will make it more difficult to understand where decisions are being made and where direction is coming from?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you for your opening statement. We will move straight to questions from the deputy convener. This morning, rather than asking questions at the end of the meeting, Jamie Greene will ask them at the beginning.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Richard Leonard

In the interests of transparency, do we know whether the newly established groups publish the agendas or minutes of their meetings that are in the public domain? Do we know exactly what their terms of reference are?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Richard Leonard

My final question is on the leadership of the Scottish National Investment Bank. Al Denholm recently announced that he plans to step down, and Eilidh Mactaggart was formerly the chief executive officer; so, in year 5 of the bank, it will have its third permanent chief executive. I think that there was also an interim chief executive—the finance officer stepped up for a period. That is a high turnover, is it not, in the leadership of what is a quite new institution. Do you have any comments on that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Richard Leonard

I am sure that we will continue to keep a close eye on that.

Your evidence this morning has been very helpful for us. I thank Kirsty Ridd, Catherine Young and Cornilius Chikwama, and I thank you, Auditor General, for leading on the evidence this morning.

11:27 Meeting continued in private until 11:39.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Richard Leonard

I will move on to what is, in my view, a more positive investment—it has been referred to a couple of times already—which is the investment in a construction company that was building housing in Shetland. In the report, you mention the fact that one of the attractions of that investment, albeit that it was below the normal threshold for investments, was that the company was converting to being an employee-owned business. Again, is the ownership structure and the way in which a business is put together a factor in determining where investment is placed?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scottish National Investment Bank”

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Richard Leonard

Thanks a lot. That is absolutely fine. I am conscious of the time, but we have one final line of questioning, which is going to be prosecuted by Graham Simpson.