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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Yes, well, we will probably get to those. I am sure that people will draw their own conclusions from your answers.

Can I take you to the key messages in the briefing that is before us? Key message 3 talks about political leadership and the gap in political leadership. In particular, the Government said in, I think, 2022 that it was going to establish an economic leadership group chaired by the First Minister, but that has yet to meet. Could you explain that for us, please?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

There is a possibility there will be no leadership group in the future. In practice, there has not really been one in the past either, has there?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

There was a strategy that was launched in 2015.

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

There is one final thing from me before I pass over to the deputy convener. You will see that, in exhibit 1 of the Auditor General’s briefing, he gives examples of NSET actions, which are lifted directly from the Government’s strategy. It includes action 6:

“Create a national system of pre-scaler hubs that will stimulate the very earliest stages of high growth commercial and social entrepreneurship.”

Action 15 states:

“Build strategic partnerships with other key entrepreneurial ecosystems in other countries.”

What does that mean?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Sorry, did you say earlier on in your answer that this was an issue about co-ordinating diaries?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

We will get on to duplication later on. The leadership group has not met, even though it was a central part of the strategy for economic transformation. Can you remind me again who is on or who is supposed to be on the economic leadership group?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Before I bring in Graham Simpson, I want to probe that issue a little more. Does the Government have a position on ironing out regional imbalances? Does it have a regional policy in that sense or not?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

As part of the revision, are you taking into account the termination of the Bute house agreement?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

There may well be a revision in light of the Bute house agreement being terminated, I would speculate, but you may not need to answer that, director general.

Can I also turn to a point that I raised with the Auditor General? I know that you were not in post at the time, Mr Irwin, but I was struggling a little bit to understand why the previous strategy from 2015 was not updated in light of the Brexit vote in 2016. That quite clearly is a potential economic shock and a change to the framework in which you work. Of course, the UK left the European Union in January 2020 and there was no reset of the strategy at that point either. Can you offer any explanation why that would have been?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

You were not able to co-ordinate the diaries of half a dozen, at the most, cabinet secretaries and the president of COSLA to fix up a meeting of the economic leadership group. The Auditor General told us on 14 March that the economic leadership group was a key part of the Government’s NSET accountability framework. I am struggling to understand why it has not met. I do not know who can answer that question.