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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

I do not know whether you have—or are willing to state on the record—a view on the dilution of targets in some cases and their abandonment in others. The original target was that, by 2030, 1 million homes out of the 2.5 million in Scotland would be converted, and that we would see a complete phasing out of all new gas boilers by around those target dates. We would also have 22 per cent of heat being generated by renewables; that percentage relates not to the number of households but to the measure of heat. All those targets seem to have been dropped.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Your report certainly indicates that you are calling into question some of those targets. There is also a credibility question, about whether the scale of change is sufficient. There are 2.5 million households in Scotland, but you refer to only 26,000 households having had heat pumps installed. That represents a completion rate of around 1 per cent, which, by my rough arithmetic, leaves more than 98 per cent of households having not had those conversions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Partnership working is meant to be a hallmark of good working in the NHS in Scotland, and we are trying to understand the extent to which that has or has not been working.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

We are against the clock. I will bring you back in, but first I will bring Graham Simpson in.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

My question is: do you have systems in place to understand why nurses have left the health board’s employ, why the chief executive left the board’s employ—I know that it was retirement in that case—and why other people in senior posts have left? You are the new team. Were interviews carried out to capture and record the reasons why people left?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

We are now bang out of time, and I am sorry that I was not able to bring you back in. If there is something pertinent that you want to draw to the attention of the committee, please feel free to capture it and put it in a written submission after today’s session. We would appreciate that.

I thank Amanda Croft and Janie McCusker. I wish you a happy post-Forth Valley NHS Board life. I also thank Andrew Murray, Kevin Reith and Professor Frances Dodd for contributing to this morning’s evidence session, which has been greatly appreciated.

I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:16 Meeting suspended.  

10:18 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

The second half of our agenda today is an examination of a briefing paper that was prepared by the Auditor General for Scotland, “Decarbonising heat in homes”. I welcome our witnesses, all of whom are from Audit Scotland. We have the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle; Cornilius Chikwama, an audit director; and Derek Hoy, an audit manager.

We have a number of questions. Before we get to those, I invite the auditor general to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Right—that is very useful. Thank you.

Colin Beattie will now put some questions to you about funding and investment.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay—thank you. Graham Simpson wants to come in on some of those points, and then I will bring in Willie Coffey.

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Richard Leonard

I call Willie Coffey.