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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Mr Huggins, you spoke earlier about “a major success story” but, on the subject of digital exclusion, I infer from what you said that you think that it is the ageing population that is digitally excluded and that, over time, that will diminish, as though you think that people are going to die off and the problem will go away. However, that is not what the report says, is it? It says that age is a factor—of course it is, and everybody understands that—but the introduction to the report says:
“Digital exclusion is strongly associated with poverty and people with certain protected characteristics.”
My question is for the director general. What is the Scottish Government’s position? Is it that you think that the problem will diminish over time because older people are going to die, or do you see that there is a real and present issue because of people’s impoverishment and protected characteristics, which will continue to exist and to be a challenge, and on which the Government needs to show some leadership?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay—thank you. I will bring in Colin Beattie next.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Good morning and welcome to the 26th meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee. Our first agenda item is to consider whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Is that agreed?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Our main item is a further consideration of the joint report by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission “Tackling digital exclusion”. I am pleased to welcome our witnesses: Lesley Fraser, director general corporate, Geoff Huggins, chief digital officer, and Eilidh McLaughlin, deputy director, digital ethics, inclusion and assurance—all at the Scottish Government; and Martyn Wallace, chief digital officer in the digital office for Scottish local government, Convention of Scottish Local Authorities.
There are no opening statements, so I will start the questions. I direct my first question to Lesley Fraser. Do you accept the findings and the recommendations in the Auditor General for Scotland and Accounts Commission report “Tackling digital exclusion”?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
I turn to James Dornan, who—to prove that our technology is working—joins us online.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Thank you. That clarification is very helpful. We might come back to you to check on the progress of that work.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 3 October 2024
Richard Leonard
09:00
Agenda item 2 is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s briefing on “Scotland’s colleges 2024”. We are joined this morning by our witnesses: Stephen Boyle is the Auditor General for Scotland and, from Audit Scotland, we have Mark MacPherson, audit director; Tricia Meldrum, senior manager; and Shelagh Stewart, audit manager. You are all very welcome.
We have a number of questions to put to you, but first of all, I invite the Auditor General to make an opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 3 October 2024
Richard Leonard
At this point, I remind members of my voluntary register of trade union interests.
I have some questions that move us on from people who have left and who have been made redundant, to those who remain and their treatment. In your briefing, you highlight the outstanding pay dispute with support staff and the pay dispute with the lecturing staff, which has even greater longevity. I will not rehearse the politics of this point, but it has been raised many times with the Government that it stepped in with national health service staff and with teachers but seems very reluctant to step in to resolve this dispute. However, the point that you make in your briefing is about the impact that that has had on learners. Can you give us more information about your assessment of that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 3 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Do you know how far back that would go?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 3 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Maybe we need to ask that question of other people.