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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Before I bring in the deputy convener, I will go back to Lesley Fraser. Lesley, the section in the report on building digital inclusion considerations into strategies and design for digital services says that all public bodies should
“carry out equality and human rights impact assessments”.
Do you accept that recommendation?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. One of the recommendations is that councils
“should map out local resources and assets across the public, private and third sectors, and provide clear routes to digital support and accessible information”.
Does COSLA accept that recommendation? Are individual local authorities pursuing that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Okay. Mr Wallace, does COSLA accept the findings and recommendations in this report?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
I want to clarify that. The report came out in August, it will be November tomorrow, and the group has not met to discuss the report that you are giving evidence on this morning.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Let us not deal with generalities, then; let us deal with specifics. In paragraphs 35 and 36 of the report—I remind you that it was published just in August of this year, so it is quite recent—it says:
“The joint digital strategy lacks a clear plan and accountability and is now to be refreshed amidst difficult public finances”.
It continues:
“The Scottish Government and COSLA joint strategy lacks a delivery plan that sets out the detailed actions that are needed, who is responsible for them, and timescales or monitoring arrangements.”
How do you respond to that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
I am afraid that we have run out of time. I thank our witnesses Lesley Fraser, Geoff Huggins, Eilidh McLaughlin and Martyn Wallace for the evidence that they have given us and the response that they have given to the Audit Scotland and Accounts Commission report on tackling digital exclusion. We will consider our next steps but, for the time being, I thank them again.
I move this morning’s committee meeting into private session.
10:31 Meeting continued in private until 10:50.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
We are about to enter the final stretch of this morning’s evidence session. I want to get some clarification on something that came up in the evidence session that we had with the Auditor General and the Accounts Commission. It is on the issue of the blue badge, which is highlighted in the report as being almost emblematic of where there might be an issue around digital exclusion. In answer to a question that I put to the Auditor General, he said:
“It feels that there is a contradiction between the population that is likely to need to access that service and the mechanism through which they are required to do that by public services.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 5 September 2024; c 19.]
One of the three major pillars of the Verity house agreement is about person-centred public services. This is a kind of test of that, is it not? Martyn Wallace, do you want to come back on that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Does that mean that you accept the criticism from the Auditor General that
“leadership ... has weakened ... and momentum has ... slowed”
since the Covid-19 pandemic?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
Are you saying that you accept that finding or that you do not accept it?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 31 October 2024
Richard Leonard
So do you now have detailed actions? Have you designated who is responsible for them? Do you have timescales and monitoring arrangements?