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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

We have spoken about a student-centred approach and the importance of the outcomes. It is not just about the inputs, financial and otherwise, is it? Is it not the case that your changes to the rules about the thresholds for non-retention or drop-out rates of students disincentivise attempts by colleges to retain students? If somebody drops out in week 6, as long as they have been there for five weeks, the college still gets the financial payment as if they were there for the whole of that academic year. Will that not lead to an increased level of student drop-out or non-retention?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

The committee would certainly expect that to be carefully scrutinised, because the change could have a negative rather than a positive effect from the student perspective. We may come back to you on that at some point.

I will move on to another element of the report, which is the college estate. I have a topical question on reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete. Do we know the extent of RAAC in Scotland’s colleges?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Will it be done by the end of the year, say?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thanks. That is helpful.

Mr Rennick, when do you expect a decision to be made?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Thank you for your time and the evidence that you have given us this morning, which has been very helpful.

As Willie Coffey reminded us, there is no such thing as a job for life any more. Retraining and reskilling are hugely important roles that are fulfilled very well by the college sector in Scotland. I suspect that, in this era of the just transition, they will become even more acutely important.

I note that a paper that we were given in advance of the meeting pointed out the finding from the Sutton Trust that 90 per cent of learners from the most socially deprived backgrounds who went to university did so through colleges. That is not the only thing that colleges do, but it is a really important thing.

I thank Neil Rennick , Stuart Greig, Karen Watt and Lynne Raeside for their input this morning. As I said, it has been very useful to us.

10:49 Meeting continued in private until 11:20.  

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much, indeed. I invite Karen Watt to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay—that is great. On that note, I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Richard Leonard

However, the budget is not flat in real terms. In real terms, it has gone down, has it not? We have spoken about flat cash; the amount of money that has been given to the sector has been static, although there was an in-year cut in the amount of revenue funding that was available. Again, in the budget that was announced just before Christmas—and after the evidence session that we had with participants on 30 November—it was proposed that there would be an 8.4 per cent cash cut this year, which is, if you like, worse than the situation in the previous two years.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Richard Leonard

We will get into more detail about the data gaps and some of the evidence that we have taken around that, but the question is not so much whether you are talking to various groups or not, but what the outcomes are.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Richard Leonard

So, are you saying that when a Scottish Government and COSLA joint strategy is developed, it is all down to what happens at a local level; there is no Scottish Government oversight of that?