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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

We are drawing towards a close, but I have just a couple of quick questions. Auditor General, you mentioned the importance of staff being listened to, and you referred, for example, to whistleblowing. However, is it not the case that staff being listened to is not just about individual whistleblowers using public interest disclosure, but that it is also about routine collective listening—for example, listening to trade unions and their health and safety forums—as well as partnership working?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

I wonder about that, though, based on your experience. I was quite taken aback when the assurance board said to me and other elected representatives who were taking part in that discussion that it could be years before de-escalation takes place. Is that the sense that you get? Is it the experience that we have had with other health boards that have been escalated to level 4?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

The substantive item on our agenda is consideration of a section 22 report, “The 2022-23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”. I welcome our four witnesses: Stephen Boyle, Auditor General for Scotland; Pat Kenny, associate partner, audit and assurance, at Deloitte; Rebbecca McConnachie, senior manager at Deloitte; and Leigh Johnston, senior manager at Audit Scotland.

We have a number of questions to put to you, based on the report that was produced into the performance of NHS Forth Valley but, before we get to those, I invite the Auditor General to give a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Graham Simpson wants to come in with a question in that area.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

So it is not a function of, for example, the level of vacancies or of a particular sickness absence rate in NHS Forth Valley.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome to the third meeting in 2024 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item for consideration is whether to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much, Auditor General.

I invite the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, to ask the first series of questions.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay—that is fine. I will take us back to current financial year performance. Colin Beattie will talk about the deficit issue, which is a major feature of the report, but I will look at the current year.

You mention in the report that there has been

“An overspend of £3.2 ... million in acute services”,

but

“An underspend of £1.3 ... million in corporate functions”

and

“An underspend of £2.245 million in ringfenced and contingent budgets.”

Could you explain a little bit more the detail that lies behind those figures, please?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Rebbecca McConnachie, did you say that NHS Forth Valley would be required to make savings of the order of 28 per cent?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I invite Willie Coffey to put some questions to you.