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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Well, that is very interesting. We might return to some of that, but I now ask Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Graham Simpson will drill into those areas in a little more detail, but just for clarity, are you saying that all that type of activity—that non-compliant activity—stopped on 31 December?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
I will now bring in Graham Simpson, who has questions on those areas of non-compliance.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the first meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from the deputy convener, Jamie Greene.
James Dornan has stepped down from the committee. I place on the record my thanks for James’s useful contribution during the short time that he was on the committee. I am also pleased to welcome to the committee his replacement, Stuart McMillan. Stuart, you have been a member of the committee in times past, and your experience will be very helpful to us. You are very welcome to the committee.
For the formal part of the introduction, I ask whether you have any relevant interests that you wish to declare.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Those issues arise quite regularly at this committee, so thank you very much for that. It is very useful to place that on the record.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
As part of the audit, have you asked the Scottish Government why it did not take a more proactive approach?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Stuart McMillan has a question on this area, but I will ask him to ask it after I have asked my couple of questions, because then he will have the final block of questions.
I will go back and explore a little more the details of the former chief executive officer’s contractual arrangements.
In paragraph 18 of the report, you described that the former CEO was initially appointed in November 1999 as the water industry commissioner. I presume that there was then a reform of the structure, which led to the establishment of the Water Industry Commission, and he was appointed as the chief executive officer of that in 2005.
In the following paragraph, you talk about the CEO’s “initial contract”. Is the initial contract the one from 1999, or is it from 2005?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
That is fine. That may be for others to answer.
My final question is one that you might be able to address. In March 2024, there was an amendment to the Scottish public finance manual regarding the treatment of settlement agreements when an accountable officer is the subject of a settlement agreement. Do you have a view on whether that amendment is sufficient to address such situations in the future?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I am delighted to invite Stuart McMillan to put some questions to you. Over to you, Stuart.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 9 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you for the evidence that you have provided to the committee. Some important matters have been placed on the public record, including revelations that—dare I say it—perhaps give us a bit more evidence than is contained in the section 22 report itself. Auditor General, I thank you, Carole Grant and Richard Smith for your time and for the information that you have given us.
I move the committee into private session.
10:38 Meeting continued in private until 11:19.