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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

I reflect on the fact that one of the recommendations is about clearer timescales, as well as clearer targets, and I think that we would all welcome greater clarity over the future of the strategy, what it will look like and when we will be able to rejoin a public debate about it. After all, it is not just the property of the Government; it is about engagement with other stakeholders who will deliver it. If we are genuine about wanting to see a transformative change in the economy, achieving that will demand popular support right across the board.

I will close the evidence session now. There are a number of areas where you have agreed to provide us with further written information. As I always say, we prefer to get accurate information rather than speculative information from our witnesses, so we will very much appreciate it if you provide us with that information timeously.

I thank all three of you—director general, Colin Cook and Aidan Grisewood—for your time, the evidence that you have given us this morning and the information that you have been able to supply us with. I move the committee into private session.

10:25 Meeting continued in private until 11:16.  

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Has the economic leadership group been scrapped?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

The main item on our agenda is further consideration of “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”, which is a section 22 report. Our witnesses are representing the Scottish Prison Service and the Government. I welcome from the Scottish Prison Service Teresa Medhurst, who is the chief executive; Gerry O’Donnell, who is the finance director; and Allister Purdie, who is the interim operations director.

I also welcome from the Scottish Government Neil Rennick, who is the director general for education and justice, and Catriona Dalrymple, who is the director of justice.

We have a number of questions to put to you this morning. Before we turn to those questions, I will invite Teresa Medhurst and Neil Rennick to make short opening statements, and I begin with the chief executive of the Scottish Prison Service.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

You are the director general for justice in the Scottish Government. Why can you not tell us one way or the other?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Are you taking legal advice as a contingency against the possibility of legal action being taken?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay, but—again—do you not see that as a risk regarding which you need to plan for the possibility of litigation being raised?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

I wonder whether you can clear something else up for me, which was in a statement that we received in evidence that we took when we had GEOAmey before us. When I asked him about exposure to human rights litigation, David Jones said:

“The human rights obligation sits with the state actor, not the private company.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 28 March 2024; c 37.]

Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Those were my words, not Mr Farrell’s, on this occasion. He might use them as well, but I used them this time.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you.

Following neatly on from that, the deputy convener has some questions to put to you. Jamie, over to you.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of the Scottish Prison Service”

Meeting date: 2 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Can I take that as a yes?