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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay, thank you very much indeed. I invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I welcome our witnesses, who are with us in the committee room to give evidence on the Auditor General for Scotland and Accounts Commission report, “Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”. From the Scottish Government, we have Neil Rennick, director general education and justice; Andrew Watson, director for children and families; and Gavin Henderson, deputy director for care experience, children’s services and the Promise. We also welcome the chief executive of The Promise Scotland, Fraser McKinlay; and David Anderson, chair of the Oversight Board for keeping the Promise. Finally, from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, we are joined by two witnesses, Nicola Dickie, director of people policy; and Fiona Whitelock, policy manager for the Promise.

We have a number of questions to put to you, and I say at the outset that you do not all necessarily need to feel obliged to answer all the questions that we put. However, if you feel as though you have something relevant to say, please indicate and we will do our level best to bring you in. Before we get to any questions that we might have, director general, I invite you to make an opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

I welcome everybody back. The next item on the agenda is consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s section 22 report “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”. I am very pleased to welcome our witnesses. We are joined by the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle. Good morning, Auditor General. Alongside the Auditor General is Rachel Browne, who is an audit director at Audit Scotland, and Eva Thomas-Tudo, who is an audit manager at Audit Scotland. The committee is also joined by Michael Marra for this evidence session on NHS Tayside, and I remind everyone that Joe FitzPatrick is joining us via videolink.

We have some questions, Auditor General, but before we get to those, I invite you to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

The deputy convener has one final question to put to you, Auditor General. Jamie, over to you.

12:30  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of NHS Tayside”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I will now bring this agenda item to a close and take the opportunity to thank Eva Thomas-Tudo, Rachel Browne and the Auditor General for your evidence. Some things might require to be followed up, and the committee will need to consider in due course whether it will be appropriate to get in representatives from NHS Tayside and ask them further questions.

As agreed earlier by the committee, I now move the meeting into private session.

12:32 Meeting continued in private until 12:47.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Indulge me—talk a little about that, as well as making wider points. As I understand it, this is a Government appointment.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Again, just for the record, the September letter was submitted to us on 1 December. Her 1 December submission not only attaches the September letter—about the pre-publication review of the clearance draft—but clearly reinforces the views that were in that September letter. She uses expressions such as:

“Although I agree with several of the recommendations, overall, I believe both the performance audit and the subsequent Report are missed opportunities.”

I will invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Sure.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Obviously, there are some criticisms in the report that has been produced, and I wondered whether you were all being a bit defensive of one another.

Nicola Dickie, do you want to come in?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Richard Leonard

Joe FitzPatrick is joining us online, so when I invite him to ask some questions, he will do that via the videolink.