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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

The Convener

When you gave evidence to us in the equivalent session in February of last year in relation to expenses and so on, you said:

“We do not see that type of activity in other audits.”—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 8 February 2024; c 29.]

Last year, we were dealing with a section 22 report with an almost unheard of list of questions about the way in which the organisation was conducting itself, the way it was allowing governance arrangements to drift, allowing the expenses regime to be run and allowing unreceipted claims to be processed. We are still in that territory in this year’s audit, are we not?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

The Convener

So, I am really asking you whether you accept a recommendation that points to the lack of focus on and funding for tackling alcohol-related harm. Do you accept that?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

The Convener

We will, Mr Heald—we will.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

The Convener

I do not know whether Mr Heald has a grasp on this, but is the figure of 41 per cent comparable to the levels that we see in deindustrialised and poverty-ridden parts of south Wales or northern England?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

The Convener

I think that we all accept that there is a public health crisis that requires urgent action.

I invite other members of the committee to come in. I start by asking Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

The Convener

Thank you for your forbearance, Graham.

I now invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put a final suite of questions to you.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

The Convener

In relation to that, you mention in the letter, which was sent on 10 December, that the national collaborative charter of rights was due to be published on 11 December. Was it published?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

The Convener

Agenda item 2 is consideration of the joint report by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission, “Alcohol and drug services”. We took evidence from the Auditor General and his team a couple of weeks ago, and this morning I am pleased to welcome representatives from the Scottish Government. We are joined by the accountable officer from the health and social care directorates, Caroline Lamb, who is the chief executive of NHS Scotland and the Scottish Government’s director general of health and social care. Caroline is joined by Maggie Page, who is the head of the Government’s drugs strategy unit. You are very welcome. We are also joined by Scott Heald, director of data and innovation and head of profession for statistics at Public Health Scotland. You are very welcome, too, Mr Heald.

We have some questions to put to you but, before we get to those, I invite the director general to make some opening remarks.

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

The Convener

Can I explore that a bit more? You referred to the letter that you sent us, which I think was dated 10 December, in which you very clearly, and quite often, use the phrase:

“The Scottish Government accepts this recommendation”—

indeed, you use it in regard to nearly all the recommendations. However, there are two for which you do not. The first is recommendation 1, which is to

“work with key stakeholders to agree actions”

to address the lack of

“focus and funding for tackling alcohol-related harm”.

Do you accept that there has been a loss of focus on alcohol-related harm?

Public Audit Committee

“Alcohol and drug services”

Meeting date: 19 December 2024

The Convener

Members of the committee will pick that up. However, obviously, you are not a stakeholder but the accountable officer for the Scottish Government.